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Originally Posted by BenMcr
So that would probably also apply to Sky, BT, be broadband, and quite a few other companies then?
As none of them have asked for to send back a written contract, and be broadband never sent anything in hard copy (was all done through the net)
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Oh and if you are saying that you can get out a contract if the company can't produce a written and signed contract, does that mean that Virgin can't be sued for loss of services etc for the same reason?
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thats a very good question
its a general rule OC that the courts always try and favour the consumer over any companies and their legal teams, as your not as learned as these payed council in the ways of the law.
hence the special attention to the above consumer to business contracts, wereas the business to busines contract is another kettle of fish altogether.
if virgin Media did ever get taken to (small claims)court by the consumer rather than Ofcom that usually has to deal with these unlawful/invalid consumer T&C contracts.
and VM was foolish enough to let it get to court day without agreeing to the consumers terms or comeing to an agreement with them, i guess VM could try it and see if the magistrate sees it that way and throws it out too.
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Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech
Maybe it would not end up in court but having bailiffs after you and any of the Major ISP's on the case is a sure fire way to destroy your credit history.
So why don't you prove us otherwise, oh and by the way you will need provide written documentary proof to the contrary, not hot air, actually stop paying your bill to whoever your ISP is and tell them all the above and see how far it actually gets you.
I have nothing to prove you are the one stating otherwise so prove it!
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its bit OT for the thread but you asked the quiestion so OK ill give you and any interested readers a starting point IF YOU care to read it.
im also sure you REALLY beleve all your saying here as perfectly valid assumptions on what you know and learned in your life, if you cant accept my posts as true and researched, just read and learn,ill gladlly hold my hands up and learn by it when im wrong as Ben knows.
im only trying to help you and other readers discover new things, and how it all fits together , its your choice to take it and learn or leave it, but CF has been getting real boreing of late and im only really come here and helping out of habit now, although the tech stuff is interesting the last few days OC
, so ill not take to much effort to prove anything as i dont need to ,iv done my research and know what i know and test my assumptions with more research every day, if you chose to show me links to read i may take the time and see if you have a point and change my stance if its proves out .
the old company bailiff like official letter scare tactic doesnt work so well today with all the help out there to guide your consumer actions and responses to these bogus bailiff things sent through the post.
first of all to make it clear in your head, A COURT ORDERED bailiff is one thing, any other type are something totally different.
as a court ordered bailiff, YOU as the consumer have all the rights to submit your papers to the courts outlining why they are wrong BEFORE any such Bailiff order is granted and you are advised to make sure you do follow it through without fail.
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...-can-cant.html
as for the likes of Vigin Media etc using the CRAs to try and destroy your credit history by passing any and all (including invalid closed accounts that are wrongly still being billed by the Vm systems that many here and elsewere post about) defaults, thats another popular UK company scare tactic today.
the Credit Reference Agences DO NOT HAVE ANY LEGAL RIGHT TO STORE YOUR PERSONAL DATA IN LAW other than court ORDERED rulings,WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT END OF STORY.
thats why its always included in any company T&C contract to grant them this required permission,
you can remove that right AT ANY TIME by sending an "official notice" on writing to the data controller of said companies, see my link in all my posts below to find that address.
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...d-removal.html
you might need to sign in there as for some strange reason it didnt work without, as it did before.
its a REALLY GOOD thread to learn why the CRAs are conning YOU into thinking they have some law that states they must collect/retain your data today, and how you can stop them in their tracks with this tryed and trusted rule of thumb .
as for "having the Major ISP's on the case" is just plain silly, the Uk major banks that hold this countrys long term finantial viability in it hands, and keeps vast armys of legal teams on retainer,(that the ISPs cant even begin to finance) couldnt justify the "unlawful charges" under the existing UK common law , so the so called UK major ISPs like the debt encumbered Virgin media dont hold any scary thoughts or real serious finantial risk to any consumer considering taking them to
'civil' small claims court for whatever reason.
infact the likes of VM and BT are hopeing that the UK consumers dont infact get a clue and finally get off their backsides and take on the broadband STM and fair use policys to the courts as they did with the far more powerful UK banks, the ISPs will surely loss if they ever gave the consumers real reason to finally say enough is enough and fill in the D1 small claim form rather than do the easy option and run away to another ISP.
if BT are so mighty and legally sure of their plans and past actions, dont they just run the new Phorm trials and get it over and gone with without a care of what the Uk consumers might then do to them in court.... why dont virgin Media and CPW also do the same trials,the answers obviously they are not so sure of their legal positions.