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Originally Posted by Stuart C
No insult was intended, but you are very quick to criticise VM, and very slow to mention the possibility that other ISPs also have problems.
My statement about Cable not being distance limited, and ADSL being distance limited isn't opinion. It is fact.
Copper (as used in Phone lines) *does* have an effect on speeds. Over miles (unless the cable is specifically designed for high bandwidth signals, as VM's network is). This is why the cable network backbone is fibre, and copper runs are relatively short (as you note, less than 200 metres)
Basically, the problem as I understand it is signal loss. Now, I know that there are networks that use miles of copper for high bandwidth applications, but these use specially designed cable , and use various techniques to minimise signal loss. This techniques are not practical to use on BT's network.
BT's phone network was not originally designed for data transfer, hence the fact there can be miles of cable between the user and the exchange, which is what slows data transfer.
Not that I am defending VM's publicity. While it doesn't explicitly state that the entire network is fibre (the ASA would leap on them if it did), it does very strongly imply that, which is wrong.
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Stuart, copper is copper, whether it is used for miles or less than 100 metres it still has a detrimental effect if you believe vm's a BS, or are we to believe that the copper from the coax into the modem is some kind of special copper sourced from vm mines?
I am quick to criticise VM because I pay them a lot of money, so if I think what they are saying is BS I will say it, and it is not a matter of any agenda, im paying for a product I will have my say no matter who disagrees with it.
VM say copper used in BT telephone lines is not ideal for data transfer, what they forget to realise is that the last bit of wire going into the modem contains a six letter word, ------ whether it is miles, as you put it, or 100m makes not a tuppence of difference, sadly VM think we are all idiots.