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Originally Posted by Broadbandings

The justification is that when BT roll FTTP/K this will be new network which is not paid for by the tax payer but private money, yet this network will have to be wholesaled.

Their point is asking why they have to open up this network when the tax payer is not involved while VM can keep theirs closed.

No it won't be a new network at all! It will still be reliant on the copper infrastructure, the last mile will be fibre. So it will still be down to the tax payer so therefore everyone should and will have access.

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Originally Posted by TraxData2

Read the reply above and my point is made

And i dont care, VM didnt build half the network, they kept buying smaller cable companies out (and this is the reason why some parts of the network is in great shape while others are falling apart and while others are only analogue and will stay that way).

No your point really isn't made at all because you don't seem to fully understand.
Virgin as a company may not have built the network and lots of little companies did. But all those companies subsequently formed VM years later and all the loans and debts from those companies VM inherited. Therefore VM is responsible for playing back the loans and therefore owns the network which means it hasn't come out of mine and your pockets! Other parts are analogue because VM haven't got the money to pay for the areas to be upgraded as they are lumbered with all the debt from the smaller companies. These areas will be left in the dark ages too unless the government step in and finance for these areas to be upgraded but they won't. Not VM's fault.

Originally Posted by TraxData2

They made sure there was no competition, they got themselfs into debt, do you think i care if they get screwed?

I and many others couldn't care if you care less or not. Facts are facts.
What do you mean they made sure there was no competition exactly?
There was lots of little companies who got themselves into so much debt that the shareholders of all these little companies wanted out they took too much risk and it didn't pay off. It happened over and over again until there was 2 left and them two merged to offer a more level playing field with Sky and are now much better placed to start paying that debt back which they are doing. You say VM doesn't have competition? So what is BT, Sky, Carphone warehouse, small world cable etc then? Yeah they got themselves into debt and thank god they did because otherwise everyone would be stuck with ADSL exchange restricted Broadband a much poorer service than Fibre.

Originally Posted by TraxData2

If you want fast broadband, if you want cable (or fibre optic...) then you only have 1 choice of supplier and thats virginmedia, if you dont like their terms then you're completely screwed, some people cannot get adsl so are trapped into cable, that, my friend is a monopoly.

You don't have a clue what a monopoly is then. Sky has monopoly on TV because they offer tv to everyone and have no competition in the majority of their areas. VM may have fibre optic bb but that does make them have a monpoly as they have competition in their markets. People have the choice of different bb suppliers whether it's fibre or not. A monopolistic company also abuses it's postition in the market they dominate. VM does not dominate the bb market as they have lots of competition and they have to keep competitive and keep prices down in order to compete as their customers have the choice to go elsewhere.
http://tutor2u.net/economics/gcse/re...s_monopoly.htm
That link should help you understand what a true business monopoly is.

What do you mean most people can't get ADSL? Anyone can get ADSL!

Originally Posted by TraxData2

So what about BT's FTTH/N rollout then, they are being forced to go wholesale despite having to spend their own money on it, oh but that's fair because its BT, not precious VM

Precious VM? That is truly pathetic show some maturity or there is no point in debating with you. What's wrong can't you stand people having a different opinion to you?

I think you need to do some more research into what BT are ACTUALLY proposing my friend. They wil still be using their old network as a back bone and are only invested from the cab to the customers home! Therefore they are fibring up the last tiny preportion of the network and still using the network we all paid for! Completely different scenario to VM

Originally Posted by TraxData2

From what's been going on lately and how far behind we are with net services...and how bad a condition things are in its looking very likely that VM will be forced to open the network up...
We're so behind in this country because before now nowhere near enough companies have bothered to fibre the country up. If the governement got it's act together years ago then everyone could be enjoying proper BB. No VM won't be forced for several reasons, read my points above again.

If you're so bothered about VM paying off their debts why dont you go tell them to stop giving bonuses to each other ever year [/QUOTE]
They are paying their debts, millions every quarter. They rightfully should be getting bonuses if they are hitting their targets set. Although in places i think their money could be better spent.