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Old 04-08-2008, 11:55   #13241
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by R Jones View Post
As others are also pointing out - and we really are quite tired of doing so - especially this late in the game - google and Webwise are quite quite different.

It's very simple. Just draw a diagram showing you, the isp, and the rest of the internet, including other websites, and also including the google search site and their webmail system, then insert the words "Google" or "Webwise" in the appropriate place on the diagram. Then see how much choice is left for the consumer.

Webwise is between me and the rest of the internet. No bypass available. If my ISP adopt it, I go through the DPI kit on my way to the internet. No choice. opted in or opted out, it's between me and the internet. I have to go through that DPI kit and get intercepted, and probably profiled too (even if I can't be tracked - and quite frankly I don't trust them not to do that either)
Google tracking only occurs when I use the google search engine (if I keep google cookies and a constant IP address). If I don't like gmail I don't have to correspond with anyone with a gmail address (except once to tell them so).

But I CAN'T avoid Webwise/Phorm DPI. I can't get out of my "front door" without going through their kit. It's like they've built a porch over my front door. They own the porch. They decide what furniture is in the porch, They have hidden cameras and microphones in that porch. They strip search me as I go through it, and want to know who I am going to see, where I am going. And I don't like that. I wouldn't like it if they were honest. But they have phorm, previous, a record. So I like it even less. And it is just so they can make money, and probably also so the government can use the facility whenever they might feel like keeping an eye on me.

I take that seriously. As a church pastor, I am a member of a people group that experience this sort of surveillance in various countries around the world ALREADY. I'd rather it didn't catch on here.

It really is that simple. It's not the tracking, it's not the adverts, it's WHERE it's happening, it's HOW it's happening, it's the lack of genuine choice, and of course it's the multiple layers of illegality and the stealth that goes with criminal behaviour that we object to. As well as the corporate arrogance.

Have we got that clear? Can we discuss the finer points of advertising and media elsewhere? Can we stick to the point?

Thank you for listening.
Well said Rob.
The Anti DPI for profit campaign encapsulated in a single post.
Stripped of all the fluff and side tracks, this is the core of all our objections that our ISPs, advertisers, pro-phorm bloggers and many in government, just don't get.

Christ, it's not THAT hard to understand...... is it?
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