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Hi Guys,

Still here. Nothing at all to report from within BT - we are all still as much in the dark as you. No real suprise, the oxygen of publicity is like death to the parasitic pond life known as phorm.

I have just a few observations to throw into the mix.

snip just leaving the ones I am answering:

3. Do whatever you can to get a anti-webwise page near the top of of google search for webwise!

It's pretty good at the moment on google - we just can't beat the BBC whose Webwise page holds "pole" position (watching Grand Prix)

5. Bt have said that they will add websites to an exclusion list, provided the webmaster contacts BT and says so, providing proof that he is in fact the webmaster. What about foreign language websites. Anyone know a website owner in, say Hungary. Get them to write to Emma, *in hungarian*, asking to not be profiled. Would be interesting to see what happens! Repeat for as many bizarre languages as possible.

I think I'll write a letter in Bulgarian/Cyrillic - I can just about manage that. I'll provide a brief explanatory paragraph in English, to make the point that they could get a lot of those!

Keep going all, you are winning.

Anon.

Your comments and encouragement much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Dephormation

'Network Parasite Neutrality' as illustrated on parasitestxt.org;



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So many its hard to know where to begin. Fundamentally, the question I'd like them to answer is "Are you insane? Have you completely lost your minds?".

Bearing in mind I think Phorm should be stopped on ethical/civil liberties/human rights/freedom of speech grounds... I'm not particularly interested in debating the tech detail with BT. There are much bigger issues at stake here than resolving tech trivia.

If you were willing to debate with BT however, examples of questions they will not address;

"What was the customer research that convinced you customers want this service?"
"Do you think eCommerce business will welcome the interception of their private, unencrypted communication data?"
"How do you propose to obtain consent for interception from 108 million web sites?"
"How do you propose to obtain copyright licences from 108 million web sites?"
"What are the black lists of web sites? White lists of user agents? How will customers be able to see them before making an 'informed decision' to opt in?"
"What are the demographic characteristics you will use to categorize customers, what are the 'channels', how can customers view this data to make an 'informed decision' to opt in?"
"How will you anonymise ambiguous text such as 'Kent is in the south east of England', or 'send me an IM, Dephormation99', or foreign language text such as 'Bei der Laterne wollen wir steh'n Wie einst Lili Marleen', and how about this '張九齡 感遇四首之一'?" (with apologies to people without Chinese language support installed).
"How will you account for the presence of cookies on sites which did not set cookies, and undertake never to do so?"
"How will you comply with DPA section 11 notices?" (get yours here)
"If my privacy/security is breached, what level compensation will you pay me?"
"Why can't I have a phishing filter without being subjected to profiling? It works for child abuse, why not phishing too?"

Honestly, its such a ridiculous unethical stupid idea, I could probably go on for hours. I'll stop here. If its not enough, just ask

Yes - that is the sort of thing I had in mind. It's not that I think they will actually answer - but it's good to be on record, as having asked/warned about certain things in advance, because when it goes pear-shaped, I want to be able to point to those questions, asked and ignored, and say - why didn't you listen? You are NOT innocent - you DID have these things pointed out to you. You DIDN'T do due vigilance - you were reckless and arrogant and you ignored all the people who told you that you were headed for a cliff edge.

Thanks for those.