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Old 13-07-2008, 13:50   #11660
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by cdibrandon View Post
Also, if you want the contents, email me here. I'm the author...

However, you guys have it all wrong. You can read my response to your comments.

You guys have a different set of issues with Phorm than I do. I simply don't like being treated like **** & felt that way when they did. HOWEVER, if what the apology explained was true, supposedly "there was a mix up with the hotel." I'll be verifying that later this week.

The other issue, they are still wrong. They still manipulated me & screwed with me when I got there in terms of the time. One of the two apologized almost as if he was pleading for his family's life -- which honestly any of you should sympathize with. It wasn't easy to forgive or rather help him more than maybe he deserved, but acting in a vindictive manner by keeping it up despite the profuse apologies...would that made me a better person? Again, I'm complaining about different issues.

You guys have a different agenda...please understand that. And I don't think it was any of you guys, but the last comment before I replied was simply uncalled for. Whomever posted "anonymous" and started to call me names was truly in poor taste. I truly hope it wasn't anybody from here...

If I receive money, I will tell you guys...but that still doesn't excuse anything. I forgave on the thought that I didn't want his daughter wondering what was happening to Dad...maybe my heart bleeds a little too much, but again, that's why I think I'm better...at least I'll sleep better at night.





---------- Post added at 10:02 ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 ----------

I'll verify it. I'm the author...

I'll stake my life on it, but as shown in the other post, I deactivated it for now. I did so because the apology I got over this weekend seemed reasonable for now. I did not promise to "keep it down" if I find otherwise though.

However, please note when you guys comment about situations in a negative manner, it really does look like you are the persecutors and not the victims. At first, I accepted your comments simply because I was angry, but rational people read into constructive criticism and not blatant baseless attacks...I think I've read some relatively fair comments so far, but there are definitely lots of comments that are more emotional that people give less weight.

Just my 2 cents...

(esp. when someone calls others names without even knowing the facts)
Just to clarify - I've personally put NO comments on your blog site. Only posts here and on BT Beta Forums - both in my real name. I'm not sure what the "calls others names" refers to so I won't get into that. If there is anything I have posted about your blog that you have an issue with, then do PM me and I will be happy to apologise or retract. At the time I posted here and on the BT forums I could only see a couple of comments on your blog and I did not refer to them in my posts, or add to them.

One of the issues in the debate here is about trust. Phorm has a past as 121Media, and their trustworthiness is a major factor. They are asking legislators and ISP users to trust them not to abuse their incredible prvileged position as a "man in the middle" of the internet, with secret unvetted software at the basic infrastructure level of our ISP network. Issues about how they behave, whether they tell untruths, deliver on promises, abuse people, other companies, legislators - are all relevant to our debate. We are hoping that they will never actually be allowed to attain that priveliged access to the infrastructure because they have repe4atedly show that they can't and shouldn't be trusted with such responsibility, and what they are promoting in their Webwise product is illegal anyway in the UK, and coming under increasing legal scrutiny in the USA as being illegal there too.

One can only speculate - but I wonder if Phorm had not been in the delicate position that they are in at the moment, here in the UK, whether they would have responded so promptly to the publication and dissemination of your blog. Are they thinking about YOU or about their business reputation falling even further than it already has? Only they can answer that, and they are not good at answering questions honestly.

Blogs are written to be noticed. I'm sorry you had the distressing situation - but it was on a blog on the internet - and these days, anything with Phorm's name on it, is going to go viral in a day or so, because people are actively searching for news about Phorm. We search because we don't trust either them or our ISP's, and we need to know what they are up to as early as possible - because they operate covertly - they do not tell us in advance - if they do tell us then it is a PR spun story, with only a casual relationship with actual truth. Because of your blog, we have some information about their supposed plans for South Korea, and we also have a story that is entirely consistent with what we already know about the ethical and behavioural standards of the company.

You had personally distressing treatment from Phorm in South Korea - and that must have been nasty - but hundreds of thousands of us over here have also been abused by them, in a more covert fashion - they've been abusing our personal data, and our intellectual property, and they have done it initially in a covert underhand deceitful way (compatible with their previous behaviour as 121Media where they seem to have had "covert" as their middle name) - and then more arrogantly and abusively, as the public spotlight swung onto them - and they moved into denigrating us as scaremongers and ill informed nerds. As the legislators started to question them they began to spin and dissemble, and put out misleading and fairly puerile PR. They have every intention of continuing to abuse us in this way, unless we can stop them. Key campaigners here have had personal experience of the kind of arrogance and rudeness shown to you, when they have met and had dealings with the CEO of Phorm so the VP's are only following the model already demonstrated by their CEO.

So thank you for letting us know how they behaved in your situation. You may feel it is a "different" issue - but from this side of the pond it feels like the very same rather arrogant and underhand Phorm we know and dislike and distrust. Believe us - as far as we can determine - the whole company has a history of functioning in a covert way and without much respect for individuals or the general public.

Best wishes - I hope you are properly compensated for your time and trouble and distress. But do let us know how Phorm do, in keepiing their promises. We have a growing list of broken promises over here. I hope their promises to you don't end up being added to it.
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