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Old 11-06-2008, 19:51   #8654
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by tobes539 View Post
Good to see some intense discussion of Phorm going on here, and thanks for the references above. I'm not going to express my personal opinions in writing because I'm not sure whether my professional indemnity insurance goes high enough to protect me...

However, on a positive note, I do believe that there is room for Phorm et al on the Internet. If an ISP launched a free ADSL service, and in return users had to submit to Phorm-like profiling, you can bet it would be a success. What's not at all reasonable is to launch it as an opt-out on existing users.

Most upsetting is the way in which all this has been done in secrecy because 'we'd be too stupid to understand'. OK, so 58% of the population allegedly believe that Sherlock Holmes was real, and nearly a quarter think that Winston Churchill was fictional, but the rest of us are perfectly capable of figuring out what's going on thank you very much.

Grumble.



Can't promise to check in every day, but I'll watch this space.

Toby
BTW pseudonymous! was available

your best bet seeing as you have now posted to this thread, is to set a filter on your email to move all the replys you will now get (unless you use the userCP page <top left> to turn them off) from here into a new folder or threading in your Email app if it can do that.

sure , we are perfectly willing to take Pro-Phorm POV, and indeed you make a good point,they can exist, however , (C) popper,the only real lawful way to use DPI/wiretap interception for profit profiling is in the "walled garden" business case,if people want to, they sign up and get stuffed into that walled off garden to then be profiled as the signed up companys/websites also stuffed inside there are (we assume) having their content payed for while in there.

and that is assuming they dont in any way shape or form, profile anything that was cached in the users temp folder while outside the wall.

that they auto turn off all collecting and processing of websites not signed up and placed inside the "walled garden" so the opted-in users can pop outside the wall if they chose and still keep the greater web safe from unlawful derivative works or other finantial harm.

Phorm want to reverse the world standard for cookes and their use, so this model can perhaps work well to protect people from their kind.

plenty of other points ,but you get the picture i assume.

remember the website owners have copyright content rights just as the payed up end users have copyright over their datastreams in law, thats clear as day.....
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