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Old 03-06-2008, 09:51   #7881
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dephormation View Post
Thanks for the tip, I'll investigate this morning.

regards
Pete.

---------- Post added at 08:56 ---------- Previous post was at 08:39 ----------

Can confirm the analysis;

Opt out:-

Domain: .webwise.net
Cookie: OPTED_OUT = YES
Path: /
Expiry: 2 years

Opt In:-

Host:a.webwise.net
Cookie: uid= base64 encoded value
Path: /services/
Expiry: 12 months

If this isn't mirrored on a BT site, I'd suspect it was more to do with a demo to another client... possibly USA?

Either way, Dephormation is setting the right opted out cookie (do not rely on Dephormation as a long term solution... find a new ISP).

Pete.

---------- Post added at 09:01 ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 ----------

Looking at the code on that site, there's a possibility BT users will get sent to "http://bt.webwise.com" after opting out.

REMINDER: This is a Phorm operated third party web site with BT branding

Anyone able to confirm?

Pete.

---------- Post added at 09:11 ---------- Previous post was at 09:01 ----------

For anyone using Dephormation v2.0, note it logs only cookie sending not cookie setting so you may not see the cookies being set during the Webwise opt in/out process.

Cookie sending is the most important bit (which is logged).

But I can see I need to add cookie setting for completeness.

Pete.

---------- Post added at 09:23 ---------- Previous post was at 09:11 ----------

For non-techs bt.webwise.com === www.phorm.com. You'll find if you paste the IP address for bt.webwise.com (http://89.145.112.31/) into your browser you actually get the Phorm website.

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C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC>dig bt.webwise.com

; <<>> DiG 9.5.0 <<>> bt.webwise.com
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 1055
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;bt.webwise.com. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
bt.webwise.com. 642 IN A 89.145.112.31
bt.webwise.com. 642 IN A 89.145.112.32

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
webwise.com. 642 IN NS ns2.webwise.com.
webwise.com. 642 IN NS ns1.webwise.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns2.webwise.com. 642 IN A 38.105.138.54
ns1.webwise.com. 642 IN A 38.105.138.53

;; Query time: 31 msec
;; SERVER: 195.74.113.58#53(195.74.113.58)
;; WHEN: Tue Jun 03 09:17:50 2008
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 132


C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC>dig www.phorm.com

; <<>> DiG 9.5.0 <<>> www.phorm.com
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 1760
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.phorm.com. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.phorm.com. 799 IN CNAME phorm.com.
phorm.com. 199 IN A 89.145.112.32
phorm.com. 199 IN A 89.145.112.31

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
phorm.com. 799 IN NS ns2.phorm.com.
phorm.com. 799 IN NS ns1.phorm.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns2.phorm.com. 172698 IN A 38.105.138.54
ns1.phorm.com. 172698 IN A 38.105.138.53

;; Query time: 31 msec
;; SERVER: 195.74.113.58#53(195.74.113.58)
;; WHEN: Tue Jun 03 09:18:00 2008
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 145


that's a new one!

So far we have

www.webwise.bt.com - Houston - still offline after explosion
http://webwise.bt.com
the products and services BT mirror
and now
bt.webwise.com

to add to the vanilla www.webwise.com

I'm ready to do whatever you want done Pete so just let me know, and whether you want me logged in or out of bt.com while doing it.

I'm happy to use the Phorm Webwise page/contact form as well.

Feel free to PM with a list of what to do. I currently have dephormation 1.9.


I am not seeing anything mirroring the Phorm opt-in or opt out pages, on the BT Webwise pages. they still say "not available".

However I haven't previously spotted bt.webwise.com so I will investigate it. I note that the contact form goes via custhelp.com so it looks like they closed that loophole on ALL the BT Webwise pages now. I've had a reply to a BT Webwise contact form via custhelp.com and it has no dubious References: headers with ww3.phorm.com or 121Media.com in them, and no FW in the subject line. (But it nevertheless asks for my BT account number and phone number which were not "required" in the original contact form, even though my enquiry was not account related but about Webwise generally.)

It looks like they are very very busy on BT Webwise sites (and it is a very confusing picture keeping up with all those domains with identical page structures and logos but different urls), and that they have definitely realised the boo boo over the contact form replies - and ;lugged that hole, so that one could well be worth taking up with ICO - if you are a BT customer with data from an earlier BT Webwise contact page enquiry - don't lose it.
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