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Originally Posted by Xaccers
I can safely navigate country lanes I know like the back of my hand at 70mph, so why should I be prevented from doing so because others have insufficient vehicular control?
Bloke I knew only did cocaine in small doses, never hurt anyone, so why should he be prevented from doing so because others have no self control?
Question coggy, should those with no self control who drank on the tube be stopped from drinking, or were you quite happy for people with no self control to get blotto on the tube while on the way to a night out?
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My main objection is that what is LEGAL is slowly being banned WITHOUT any input or discussion from the majority.
When it becomes illegal IN LAW then fine I can accept it.But when it's done by the back door no.
And then even when it's done by law if it erodes basic freedoms I'm still going to complain..Oh and the 70mph and cocaine issues you raised,that is actually illegal already.
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Originally Posted by Vlad_Dracul
Its unfortunate but,without putting my rose tinted specs on,there was a time when there was a much more rigourous moral code in this country. It was unspoken but most people knew the rules off by heart.
For example..
People would not spit or vomit in public unless they were ill or afflicted
People would not smoke weed on the bus
People might give up their seat for an older person or a lady
Peole might hold a door open for you to pass through behind them rather than let it slam in your face
People would say excuse me or sorry if they bashed into you whilst passing
The list is endless....
And so it is that at the same time,the only person you might see drinking in public would be what we used to call a tramp (now ostensibly a homeless person) or a hopeless wino.
The moral code of which i speak has been depleted and no longer exists in the same form or to the same degree.
That is why behaviours have to be formalised with regulations. We cannot assume that what is not expressly forbidden by law is therefore permissable.
You speak of a mandate. The mandate was granted to the present Government at the general election. We gave them leave to run the country and to make law as necessary.
I would bet a months wages that if a national referendum were carried out as to whether people wished to restrict the sale and public use of alcohol,it would receive a resounding yes vote. The country is crying out for it.
That is not to say that those who enjoy a drink cannot continue. It just has to be enjoyed in the right and proper circumstances. I too enjoy the odd drink and a bit of socialising but i would never dream of swigging it in an unlicenced public place because i have some level of respect for my fellow man.
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Well most of what you are talking about is illegal and I have no objections to anyone bringing it to the attention of the police...Ever done that?
As far as I know drinking alcohol in moderation in public is still not illegal.On Buses,trains(It's even sold on the buffet cars and refreshment trolleys)planes you are allowed to drink.
Now being drunk and disorderly IS illegal and getting arrested is fine,smoking weed is illegal and getting arrested is fine...Did you ever complain to the police about someone in that state?
What so many of you are failing to realise what I am actually complaining about is this and this WILL be the last time I state it.
That ordinary law abiding citizens are having their legal rights eroded one by one by local councils just banning certain legal activities because they want to moderate the few when there are perfectly legal methods to tackle them.
Take individuals to court and let the process of the law deal with them.OR pass a law that makes drinking in public places illegal.Don't target EVERYONE will nilly.
But no banning anything please..do it in law.
Which is what they have done with tobacco by the way...I can see the time coming when alcohol gets the same treatment especially as they are now calling for ads for alcohol being banned which was one of the stages to dealing with tobacco but I digress.
Then I guess us fat people will be targeted and eating in public places will be banned.
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Maybe for day time commuters, but after dark I've witnessed lots of louts drinking and being disruptive while travelling on the tube.
So, should they be stopped from drinking on the tube, or are you happy for them to carry on?
Is it ok for someone to be drunk and disorderly on the tube?
Is it ok for someone who is drunk and disorderly on the tube to get more drunk while on the tube?
Is it ok for someone who isn't quite drunk to become drunk while on the tube?
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Being drunk and disorderly is already a crime...But drinking and still being sober is not.