[CrowmanUK]

Mr Homealone we've obviously got different opinions on what you're supposed to get from VM, which is great, different opinions open up different arguments so its nice to see everyone isnt a VM hater on here, I dunno what you meant about illegal modems, I certainly didnt mention or know anything about them, when I spoke about mr car booter i was referring to the kind of user who downloads stuff all day long, not somebody with dodgy hardware.
VM say on their website that traffic managing only affects 5% of their user base on a daily basis, I cant argue with that as I dont know the figures but I'd argue that it could affect anybody, not just the high downloaders, as I said before, a patch here, bit of streaming TV and you're into traffic management grounds, I dont think theyre using the right method to prop the network up, if they actually traffic managed the top 5% of downloaders instead of putting a bandwidth usage up that could restrict people who arent heavy users then that might be lot better, check the adsl policy, maybe thats more like what they should be looking at for broadband, obviously not with an 8k/sec limit though.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, its all about convenience, if i've paid for a connection so I can make fast downloads when I want and watch streaming tv when I want then that IS what I want!
VM at the moment seems like the dutch boy and the dam constantly looking for timezones to plug so the network doesnt fall over.

p.s I was with Blueyonder for 5 years (cheer), vm adsl for 6 weeks (booo) now i'm with BE and all is hunky dory for now.