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Originally Posted by Paul Delaney

The DPP would tell them not to use it for any reason as it would be of detriment to the prosecution case



Sorry, I think I'm missing something here, can you tell me where it states in the Communications Data Bill or the European Union's Data Retention Directive that ISP's are required to record the websites that their customers visit over a period of 12 months please?

The reason I ask is that I can't see them complying with that (definitely not the French ISP's) because of the sheer volume of data involved, the time it would take to collect and the space required to store it all.

There is also the implementation problem in that ISP may only use their Deep Packet Inspection hardware for tasks relative to providing and maintaining an Internet Service like "traffic shaping" and not profiling their customers by monitoring the pages they visit.

This is what Phorm is proposing and the Home Office have already stated that this can only be done with the explicit consent of the ISP's customers so any law which allowed the ISP's to collect this information willy-nilly would surely be a contradiction?

theres no contradiction as such, just as the
Article 29 Data Protection Working Party will find a way to include and cover in detail at some point that EU wide Directive of your ISP given IP address is personal data under the DPA, how the UK will include that final Directive in to UK law when the times right is another matter OC

the ISPs and the 3rd party companys Phorm/NebuAd etc not being Govt Agencys and would be in very hot water if they tryed to subvert any Govt agency or police dept/personel.

its not the same as the subversion of the end users of the ISPs inthe UK.



the only reason Phorm and NebuAD can DPI intercept the users is because the ISP executive have allowed it to happen, we need someone to take the law and show these executives what it means for them personally.

another stanford type RIPA case is all it would take to stop this in its tracks, but it appears all the effected BT customers dont have the data and the will or perhaps finances to push that point.

and the right Govt people dont want to take on the costs of such a case just yet ,prefering to pass the bucket of sick around to the next department....

OC lets not forget the DPI vendures also have a larg part in all this too, as they were not happy being just DPI vendures and want MORE variaty of DPI products in use no matter the cost to the real consumer/end users, long term.

their so called efforts 'to create value-added service offerings'

funny how i found these references while i was looking for Docsis3 news and related information

http://www.cable360.net/ct/news/scte/24920.html
"July 31, 2007
"Deep Packet Inspection and Beyond
Whatcha Got There?
By Carl Weinschenk"

its clear were he/they got the later Digital [Program] Insertion ideas from here, something else to look forward to and improve your remote mute speeds...
http://www.cable360.net/ct/sections/features/25335.html
"September 1, 2007
Digital Program Insertion
By Michael Acer, Scopus Video Networks
...
Taking targeted ads further

Continually evolving technologies for targeted content insertion hold the promise of reaching consumers on an individual basis.

The increasing adoption of digital set-top boxes by consumers and the wholesale migration of the broadcast industry to digital operations, in conjunction with advances in the leveraging of purchasing and marketing data, mean that DPI has the potential to bring tailored advertising to specific viewers at a household level.

Robust encoding and multiplexing solutions allow all players in the digital video food chain to maximize local ad dollars for a valuable bottom-line boost.
"

linked off this
http://www.cable360.net/ct/data/25528.html
"September 10, 2007
Deep Packet Inspection, Version 2
By Jonathan Tombes

The collision of abbreviations, like that of celestial objects, is a rare but enlightening event. Take DPI, for instance.

Digital program insertion (DPI) appeared on the editorial calendar of Communications Technology, and this month's issue features an article on that very topic. Meanwhile, we heard from firms representing the several companies engaged in the other DPI (deep packet inspection).
"

http://www.cable360.net/search/ct/?q...spection&issue=