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Originally Posted by Hank
some snips
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Could have sworn you were there already RJ! But I guess putting the link here does no harm, none at all, whatsoever!!!
http://beta.bt.com/bta/forums/thread...ID=19874#19874
Hank
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I mentioned on Saturday that I'd had a letter from the Earl of Northesk. I did not ask if I could publish so I'll just paraphrase.
I have to say, the man is a noble man (no pun intended) - In my letter I did say that I appreciated he is not an MP, and that means he has no secretaries to answer the emails and postal communications he receives. Yet, from thousands of miles away he apologises for the delay and does indeed respond in detail.
He's certainly going to be pursuing the challenges which Phorm and the Government's failure to tackle the issues raised presents.
He is awaiting responses to two new questions he asked the Government as "QfWA" (Questions for Written Answers).
He's provided me with links to the best ways to check for these Qs & As, so when I get home later in the week I'll get them posted if anyone wants them.
Hank |
Thanks Hank - I am in fact already there, one of the few still active in fact. The forum you mentioned is the ONLY BT Beta forum that is allowed to discuss Webwise But as the BT Beta forums are the only ones that the mass of BT customers are likely to see, its important to keep the one that does remain, genuinely active, as otherwise it drops down off the front page of the General Broadband Support thread list. A search in BT Beta forums on "Webwise" or "Phorm" shows several mentions around the BT Beta forums but every thread it comes up on, gets locked, and only one survives. Because of this most active posters have given up and migrated over here or to BadPhorm - but sadly that means they are preaching to the converted. Personally I'd like to see all the BT customers mirroring what they post here over on the BT threads. In fact it wouldn't do any harm to pop up discreetly all over the Beta forum support groups and ask innocent questions about Webwise, with a mention of a few key links. That way OTHER BT customers might be alerted. It needs people who aren't recognised by the forum mods to just crawl around and make one post in say two forums, starting new threads, without putting Webwise or Phorm in the title, (no need to make it too easy for the mods to spot) with links to somehwere like
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/attributions.htm
and the three threads I mentioned below
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...=3152&tstart=0
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...art=0&tstart=0
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...=3152&tstart=0
- and then quietly retire. Sure, the mods will eventually spot the thread and lock it, but each time more "ordinary" support customers can be informed.
I don't want to do that myself, or the mods will ban me - I think they already have me in their sights and I'm being very careful to keep the rules while trying to keep the pot boiling in ways they can't hammer me for.
They started a Webwise Q&A thread, about the technical trials
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...art=0&tstart=0
where one of their managers was supposed to answer questions but that got a bit too hot for them to handle and the manager, Adam Liversage simply stopped answering questions and then a little while later the thread was locked. They then told us the answers were going on the official Q&A (hosted on non-BT Fasthosts servers on the bt.webwise.com site !!!) They have now mirrored the FAQ at my inistence, on their main servers, so people who have bt.webwise.com blocked, can still read the FAQ.
These threads are well worth a read, especially the latter pages on the Q&Q thread, just to get a feel for the intense anger.
Maybe it is the first post that embarrasses them, the one that announces the start date of the trials, as mid-March (and that the threadincludes discussion of earlier rumours, started by BT staff themselves, that the trials had already started (which in a way they had, two years earlier but that wasn't what they meant!). Anyway those trials haven't yet got on the road, I think wheels are being reshaped, and the engine is still on the workbench, and the seats aren't ready yet (they were going to have the seats facing backwards with the steering wheel in another vehicle but someone told them that was illegal so they are redesigning/retrophitting).
You guys who are VM customers are in a slightly different position to us over at BT. You're trying to stop something happening that hasn't happened yet. Over on BT we already know we have been lied to, illegally intercepted, and that our ISP is frantically backtracking, and manouevering behind the scenes while trying to maintain a smooth PR exterior (and failing). And they have already broken the law, and are trying to do the same thing again while telling us its good for us. The hypocrisy, doublethink, newspeak and panic are quite clearly visible. But even now, I reckon most of BT's 3 million customers don't know what is going on, and if BT get away with it, will be conned into accepting Kent Ertugruls illegal interception of their browsing, and think he is doing them a favour. And web content all over the world will be sucked into his money making machine without anyone's consent having been sought or obtained.
On your second point re. Parliament
The links I have for following this are:
Early Day Motion Don Foster et all
http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDe...52&SESSION=891
Lord Northesk questions
http://www.publications.parliament.u..._2140_wad.html
with the Phorm one at
http://www.publications.parliament.u...08042112001130
and the house of Lords Science and Technology Committee membership here
http://www.parliament.uk/parliamenta...ct_members.cfm