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Old 04-05-2008, 20:07   #5690
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by 80/20Thinking View Post
Groan. I didn't say it was "minor". I said there is a big world full of even nastier invasions out there. That doesn't diminish my focus on Phorm.

Sure, in the big scheme of things Phorm is relatively containable. I'd be a liar if I didn't admit that the prospect of mandatory population-wide DNA and biometric acquisition, wholesale data matching, ubiquitous identity demands, comprehensive government profiling, expanded police and security powers and mass pacification of the population weren't occupying my mind somewhat, but that doesn't mean I treat Phorm with any less regard as a privacy issue.

Simon
indeed Simon, you pick your battles wisely and you win..., you pick them badly and everyone losses, thats a fact, OC the most lost battles are the ones never seen, or under valued that are the real long term threat to this country.

if people dont have, and use extream vigilance in their own country, and instead shift the focus to the less fortunate countrys as being important, dont be suprised when your country becomes one of the worlds worst ranking countrys, using the high tech advances in net surveillance to undermine the many for the finantial benefits of the few (not to mention the shipping out of the countrys wealth on a massive scale to other countrys executives and companys....)


in other words, its clear the good and the great are used every day, by the corporations and power mongers to divert attention away from real threats in this world, and the Uk has for to long been ignored as a key player in this saveillance power game.

every single new small ignored step ( in the name of profit such as Phorm/ISP DPI kit) is still a step that much nearer to linking the high profile keys you outline above together, after all,without the wide spread data mining by any means available to them, they have no collective information power to wield.

while the PI talk up the high profile cases, there are masses of low level uptake of interception tech that will be far more damageing in the grand scheme, as it doesnt get challenged or talked about, Phorm and the ISP uptake is one such case, even if most people choose to ignore or subvert that that fact for whatever reasons they use to justify the case to themselves its less werthy.

in short, you are giving it a low rating in your grand scheme of things to do, but there are many people reading and contributing here that are on your side with regard to the grand PI etc schemes.

but we also understand the far greater power of the low level rated tech to take control without a fight.... if you see what i mean simon!

we can help you with all the fights for justice, not just the high profile ones you deem more valid, your not alone, but your continued lowering of the Phorm threat does nothing to win friends or influence people for the better, indeed you appear to not see it as any threat whatsoever, and cast it aside as a mear managable and "relatively containable" small problem, if you cant or wont see it for what it's long term potential is, than perhaps your not the man you were or are lost in the re-direction corporate mire that is unfolding....

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