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popper · 27-04-2008, 15:21

Neil Berkett made some interesting comments

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...eutrality.html
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Virgin CEO wants to "engage" on neutrality

Thursday, April 24 2008, 12:51 BST
By Dave West, Media Correspondent

Cable providers must engage with issues such as net neutrality, privacy, copyright and child protection, Neil Berkett told an industry conference yesterday.

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"In the UK, attitudes towards service providers are at something of a crossroads," he said. "If we can simultaneously demonstrate we're engaging with these complex issues and capture the excitement and opportunity of our services, we could emerge as the enablers of choice in an industry that is sometimes regarded as a bit sterile and remote.

"Or we could go the way of the utility companies or the financial services industry and become resented by consumers and seen as little more than a necessary evil."
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"Vivienne Redding, the European Commissioner for Information, also contributed to the neutrality debate on Tuesday. She said traffic prioritisation practices were acceptable -..."
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interesting SSL thoughts here as regards the ISPS and Phorm, and the wireshark page linked is interesting.

imagine the extra speed the ISP/Phorm get by using the dedicated hardware instead of mear software.....

http://www.links.org/?p=321
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Can Phorm Intercept SSL?

Someone asked me to comment on a thread over at BadPhorm on SSL interception.
In short, the question is: can someone in Phorm’s position decrypt SSL somehow? The fear is driven by the existence of appliances that do just this. But these appliances need to do one of two special things to work.

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Could Phorm do this? Well, they could try to persuade anyone stupid enough to install a CA certificate of theirs in their browser, and then yes, indeed, this trick would work for them. More of the story: don’t install such certificates. Note that last time I looked if you wanted to register to do online returns for VAT you had to install one of these things. Oops!

Or, they could get certified as a CA and get automatically installed in everyone’s browser. I’m pretty sure, however, that such a use of a CA key would find them in breach of the conditions attached to their certification.

So, in short, Phorm can only do this to people who don’t understand what’s going on - i.e. 99% of Internet users. But not me."
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"By the way, if you want to see this one in action, then you can: the excellent network sniffer, Wireshark, can do it. Full instructions can be found here. No need to buy an expensive appliance."

27-04-2008, 15:21	#4946
popper Inactive Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,270	Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] Neil Berkett made some interesting comments http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...eutrality.html " Virgin CEO wants to "engage" on neutrality Thursday, April 24 2008, 12:51 BST By Dave West, Media Correspondent Cable providers must engage with issues such as net neutrality, privacy, copyright and child protection, Neil Berkett told an industry conference yesterday. ... "In the UK, attitudes towards service providers are at something of a crossroads," he said. "If we can simultaneously demonstrate we're engaging with these complex issues and capture the excitement and opportunity of our services, we could emerge as the enablers of choice in an industry that is sometimes regarded as a bit sterile and remote. "Or we could go the way of the utility companies or the financial services industry and become resented by consumers and seen as little more than a necessary evil." .... "Vivienne Redding, the European Commissioner for Information, also contributed to the neutrality debate on Tuesday. She said traffic prioritisation practices were acceptable -..." " ---------- Post added at 14:21 ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 ---------- interesting SSL thoughts here as regards the ISPS and Phorm, and the wireshark page linked is interesting. imagine the extra speed the ISP/Phorm get by using the dedicated hardware instead of mear software..... http://www.links.org/?p=321 " Can Phorm Intercept SSL? Someone asked me to comment on a thread over at BadPhorm on SSL interception. In short, the question is: can someone in Phorm’s position decrypt SSL somehow? The fear is driven by the existence of appliances that do just this. But these appliances need to do one of two special things to work. " ... " Could Phorm do this? Well, they could try to persuade anyone stupid enough to install a CA certificate of theirs in their browser, and then yes, indeed, this trick would work for them. More of the story: don’t install such certificates. Note that last time I looked if you wanted to register to do online returns for VAT you had to install one of these things. Oops! Or, they could get certified as a CA and get automatically installed in everyone’s browser. I’m pretty sure, however, that such a use of a CA key would find them in breach of the conditions attached to their certification. So, in short, Phorm can only do this to people who don’t understand what’s going on - i.e. 99% of Internet users. But not me." ... "By the way, if you want to see this one in action, then you can: the excellent network sniffer, Wireshark, can do it. Full instructions can be found here. No need to buy an expensive appliance."