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Old 23-04-2008, 13:43   #4557
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter View Post
This battle will set precedents.

It is being fought on two fronts: the Phorm front and the ISP front. Until some aggrieved BT customers who were affected by the secret tests get BT's corporate backside into court the ISPs will still keep looking into this technology. As seemingly far better informed people than the ISPs seem to be we need to educate the ISPs that what they are doing is illegal and unethical. We can do this by pressuring them as customers who will leave if they implement Phorm and by educating people everywhere about what Phorm really is and really represents.

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It's an ongoing battle - pressure needs to be kept up on the ISPs and Phorm and awareness needs to be increased.

I see PhormUKPRteam have disappeared again...
I agree with this, but for myself, I know my ISP (BT) would be delighted to see me leave, probably give me a golden handshake just to get rid of me, so I think I will stay on as an irritant.

Some more BT responses pending - I'll be back when I've got the email.

Roll on with those "secret trial" court cases! (both civil and criminal)
It will be so interesting comparing what BT say under oath in court, with what they have been saying in public up to now.

Remember - the proposed latest trials by BT have been delayed for well over a month. About six weeks ago, BT managers were even saying (mistakenly) they had started, then that they would be starting in mid-March. They have not been delayed for nothing. Massive rethink going on - because they know they daren't break the law for a third year running! The first two times, 2006 & 2007, it was illegal interception without informed consent. This time they really have to be sure it's all legal, including the RIPA, DPA, and that nasty business of somehow getting informed consent from website owners, and not breaking browsing for those who block unwanted Webwise/Phorm domains, and working out how they can make the trial invitation legally in the first place ( I think they were planning just to interrupt a browsing session, now I think they are realising that they have to do it via their own customer service site on a customer visit to bt.com or the BTYahoo! home page.)

And what's happening? - delay! If they were as confident of legality as they claim to be publicly, those trials would have already happened. And for the whole of those 6 weeks the Phorm share price has been falling, falling falliing - I see after yesterdays brief rally its headed off down again. Good.

That's all a guess on my part, we'll see how it pans out. Keep up the great work people!
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