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popper · 14-04-2008, 09:14

that ip is mentioned here

does that mean someone on the BY part of the VM network have pluged in and trialed the Virgin Media/Phorm DPI boxs.....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03...grul/comments/
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A reply to the alleged 'Tech Team' at Phorm

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Sunday 9th March 2008 07:14 GMT

"In terms of future safeguards, the key is transparency. We will communicate any changes and our claims will continue to be subject to external scrutiny by formal audit, partner due diligence, customer vigilance and media interest."

Thats a hell of a statement to make especially in light of BT's response to their customers "We cant talk about that".

Thats about as far away from transparent as you can get, trying to dupe customers into an extended contract and failing to disclose the T&C.

Will you still guarantee that even in the face of an RIPA order? As far as I can see your organisation is about as transparent as a brick wall.

And now we discover that you are effectively intercepting layer 7.....
You arent winning friends here, given how un-transparently this was revealed to customers you have a lot of work ahead if you want to win trust.

Did the people who's data was pimped to you in the trial get the option to opt-out? were they even told what was going on? Did their ISP communicate what was going on? Did the T&C's mention anything about it whatsoever? Or did they try to cover it up becuase it looked like something very wrong was happening on their network and our businesses interfaces to that network.

You sir and your organisation have all the transparent features of a brick wall.

"But what our research shows is that users worry about security online and prefer to have more relevant advertising."

*******s, users want no advertising, irrespective of whether that is achievable or even cost-effective is another question.

Given the prevelance of anti-spyware and anti adware (funnily both key revenue streams for your organisation) I'd say that the evidence points to the latter.

Those of us who have had to deal with one of your lovely toolbars know exactly how difficult it was to get rid off them once they were on a system.
Needless to say:-
88.208.250.66
88.208.250.85
88.208.248.102
*.live-servers.net

Will be blocked on all ports on my corporate firewall tomorrow. I'll review whether *.fasthosts.net.uk should be as well.

And while you may claim that you were never in the business of spyware/malware, any system that 1. Tracks a users browsing habbits; and 2. Allows you to alter the content of any site that individual visits; sounds a whole hell of a lot like spyware/malware to me, Just because you say you dont do it, does not mean you cant or wont.

PS: Still no KE with horns or cat for that matter. Wishing all the guys at phorm a real shitty day."

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and here
#2009

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what on that 192.168.1.100 BTW , your router perhaps?

14-04-2008, 09:14	#3189
popper Inactive Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,270	Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] that ip is mentioned here does that mean someone on the BY part of the VM network have pluged in and trialed the Virgin Media/Phorm DPI boxs..... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03...grul/comments/ " A reply to the alleged 'Tech Team' at Phorm By Anonymous Coward Posted Sunday 9th March 2008 07:14 GMT "In terms of future safeguards, the key is transparency. We will communicate any changes and our claims will continue to be subject to external scrutiny by formal audit, partner due diligence, customer vigilance and media interest." Thats a hell of a statement to make especially in light of BT's response to their customers "We cant talk about that". Thats about as far away from transparent as you can get, trying to dupe customers into an extended contract and failing to disclose the T&C. Will you still guarantee that even in the face of an RIPA order? As far as I can see your organisation is about as transparent as a brick wall. And now we discover that you are effectively intercepting layer 7..... You arent winning friends here, given how un-transparently this was revealed to customers you have a lot of work ahead if you want to win trust. Did the people who's data was pimped to you in the trial get the option to opt-out? were they even told what was going on? Did their ISP communicate what was going on? Did the T&C's mention anything about it whatsoever? Or did they try to cover it up becuase it looked like something very wrong was happening on their network and our businesses interfaces to that network. You sir and your organisation have all the transparent features of a brick wall. "But what our research shows is that users worry about security online and prefer to have more relevant advertising." *****s, users want no advertising, irrespective of whether that is achievable or even cost-effective is another question. Given the prevelance of anti-spyware and anti adware (funnily both key revenue streams for your organisation) I'd say that the evidence points to the latter. Those of us who have had to deal with one of your lovely toolbars know exactly how difficult it was to get rid off them once they were on a system. Needless to say:- 88.208.250.66 88.208.250.85 88.208.248.102** .live-servers.net Will be blocked on all ports on my corporate firewall tomorrow. I'll review whether .fasthosts.net.uk should be as well. And while you may claim that you were never in the business of spyware/malware, any system that 1. Tracks a users browsing habbits; and 2. Allows you to alter the content of any site that individual visits; sounds a whole hell of a lot like spyware/malware to me, Just because you say you dont do it, does not mean you cant or wont. PS: Still no KE with horns or cat for that matter. Wishing all the guys at phorm a real shitty day." ---------- Post added at 09:07 ---------- Previous post was at 09:04 ---------- and here #2009 ---------- Post added at 09:14 ---------- Previous post was at 09:07 ---------- what on that 192.168.1.100 BTW , your router perhaps?