[c_owl]

well i gave up with the wait on getting halp to solve this problem, i was up all night last night researching ways around this. in the end i did a new intall of server 2003 and made it a stoarage server, turning this in to a headless server was interesting. if anyone trys this stay away from the terminal service that somes with server 2003, i used vnc mutch better for complete remote access to the server.. my server is now in my loft and happy up there, im able to use the server for backups to for all my computers