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Originally Posted by mark777
I quite agree.
What worries me is when i'm in a queue in Tesco's and someone at the front can't find their Clubcard and thinks the world will fall in because they are loosing out.
When I get to the checkout and am asked if I have a Clubcard and reply "You mean a bit of Satan's plastic?", I'm looked at if i'm from another planet (I can understand that), but then asked if I want one!
If I ask why Tesco's just don't give everyone the 0.5% discount i'm told on the checkout (as if it's way beyond my comprehension) that it's much more complicated than that. If I ask why, people behind get all uppy.
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But that is the return you get for signing up. And the discounts can easily be in the 5% range if you convert the vouchers for other things. It also tracks your shop spending to your Tesco home shopping account which is a convenience, pick something up in store and you can see what it is next time you do a home shop.
Thats the big thing with many of the comparisons used here. The whats in it for me is not there for Phorm, better targeted ads, whoop de doo, anti phishing, well IE7 does that for me.
Snooping on all my IP packets (and while at the moment they say they will drop https and non 80 traffic there is nothing to stop them changing those rules in the future).
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Originally Posted by popper
yeah sure, we get that, but your average person using their Broadband computers must understand:
simple everyday Broadband users language is one thing, pre-school playgroup is another and serves no real purpose in understanding this subject.
how do you make sheeple care ?, by letting them know the facts as it effects them personally it would seem.
i like that sheeple  we should adopt it 3x2 |
and how do the two most popular papers in the UK do that, by writing the paper with a reading age of 7.
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Originally Posted by popper
(i) Phorm have also obtained a QC's opinion on whether they are performing illegal interception. I asked if anyone had ever told them their systems would be illegal to operate and if they had subsequently modifyed them, and was told that, "we didn't get any opinions that it was illegal".
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it might be nice if PRPhorm etal were to give us the name and business location of this "A QC", so go on then PhormPRteam, tell us please.... |
It is not that hard to get a legal opinion agreeing with you if you ask enough lawyers.
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Originally Posted by Portly_Giraffe
Thanks to everyone who contributed ideas for the "simple" website. I do intend to change its name to make it more acceptable to organisations such as the BBC, and will let you know once that's in place.
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Though they have linked to
www.badphorm.co.uk from this new article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7331493.stm
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Originally Posted by 3x2
From day one I have viewed RIPA as the protection we have. The DPA reads more like a memorandum of understanding and so naturally this is what Phorm have used to defend themselves.
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But both cover completely different things.
RIPA on how you get the data in the first place
DPA what you do with your data.
Now I do agree with Phorm that the data they have is anonymised blah, blah and most likely complies with DPA in those respects.
What is wrong is that they are taking it without explicit authorisation of both parties and even when you ask them to stop they still get a copy they just say they don't look at it. Data like that is like a car crash, you can't help but slow down and take a look. I work with people who are employed to surveil the company email traffic. They know what to look for and what not to look for or at and despite best efforts not to end up knowing peoples personal business they do because you open a mail that looks like it should be subject to review and find the content is not what is expected. Knowing people are pregnant before they announce it, or never do and never develop a bump, they have seen everything.
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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff
According to Phorm PR they are not being passed the data by the ISP, it is their equipment doing the listening and the ISP don't have any access to it other than the fact they can physically touch it.
I guess it boils down to who the Layer 7 network technology belongs too, so far we have been led to believe (through their PR) that it is Phorm's.
Alexander Hanff
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No we have been led to believe that Phorm have
gifted it to the ISP as such it is the ISPs.