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If we want to be tough on crime, we have to start with meaningful sentencing. Community service, whatever that is supposed to mean is a joke. ASBOs are seen as a badge of honour. Even if someone does get a custodial sentence, they get let out rediculously early.

It's no good just saying we need more police on the beat. If the punishment doesn't seem a deterrent, then anything else just pays lip service to the problem.

At the same time all the handwringing by the "these people are misunderstood brigade" is a red herring. Simple issue really. Discipline needs to start in schools and at home from a young age. Schools have their hands tied. Meanwhile the benefits culture results in too many being idle and loosing their own self respect and values for others.