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Originally Posted by mark777
To give them credit, they are doing better than VM.
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I wouldn't consider a talkative mugger to be any better than a silent one, if he was stealing my wallet at the time. What these two companies are planning to do with
my data is nothing short of robbery.
As Sir Tim Berners-Lee says, "It's mine - you can't have it. If you want to use it for something then you have to negotiate with me, I have to agree; I have to understand what I'm getting in return."
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Originally Posted by dav
I don't think that is the right word...maybe "marks"?
I think that is the term used by con-artists, isn't it?
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...Sheep, maybe? Lambs to the slaughter?
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Originally Posted by PhormUKPRteam
Hi all
Hope you all had a good Easter? With reference to the above discussion, the Register article in the Guardian neatly highlights the two central issues here: protecting online privacy and needing ad funding to pay for Internet services. Of course people are concerned about the trade off they think they have to make between getting a personalised service on the one hand and giving up personal data on the other - we agree that they shouldn't have to make that pay off. So are you happy to be served targeted ads by companies that use your personal data and store it for more than 12 months before it is even anonymised? Surely it is better to have a system that stores absolutely no personal information, no IP addresses and no browsing histories - like us or not, that's a better privacy environment than you currently get.
Online ad targeting is not going away; something the Guardian confirms in its statement. The reason that we've had such an enthusiastic response from the companies that we meet is that the Phorm system can earn ISPs and publishers - big and small - more money to plough back into the services you receive today - most of them for free. If not ad funding, then what other way is the Internet going to be paid for? Most Internet publishers have abandoned subscriptions because not enough people are actually prepared to pay when it comes down to it.
As always, if you have any queries or want any more information, visit www.webwise.com or www.phorm.com |
Once again, you've completely missed the point.
You can't use the "need" to pay for the internet as a reason to infringe people's right not to be placed under surveillance. The data that you are so keen to get your hands on does not belong to you, and many of the people that it does belong to do not want you to have it.
If, as you claim, the internet cannot survive in it's current form because of a lack of funding, then so be it: let it change to something that is sustainable. I'd rather have a smaller internet than know (or suspect) that my every action online is being watched and "digested" for somebody else's profit.
Am I happier to be spied upon by Google than by you? Damn right I am. For one thing, they give me something useful, and for another I can choose to have nothing to do with them if that is my wish. Your offering fulfills neither of these criteria. Would I have a problem if Google wanted to hardwire a surveillance system into my internet connection? Hell yes. But they are not proposing that, and you are. So your comparison is meaningless.
And please don't make out that I'm currently getting something for nothing: I already pay for the internet. It's called an ISP subscription, and it's not an insignificant sum. If Virgin Media can't make ends meet with their customer fees and other existing revenue streams, then I'd rather they put my subscription costs up than install Phorm. (In other words: I'd rather pay the true cost of the service than have it subsidized by being spied upon)
Finally, I'm afraid I can't visit your websites for further information: they're already blocked by my router. Any information you are obliged to give me regarding my internet connection you will kindly do through the official channels of my ISP.