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Originally Posted by kronas
these days when your in the army your nothing more than a political pawn, the definition of being a solider in war for honourable reasons is changing.
it does not wash with me, the only heroes i see are the ones who fought in the wars before i was born, back in the 1940's when it was about freedom, liberty, independence of this nation to stay under british control not be under threat by nazi germany and previous attempted occupations.
im not saying its easy to go in to a war, but NO ONE can justify what has happened and what continues to happen right now.
you cannot seriously expect me to believe the invasions we have seen were to 'liberate' these people, vested interests are already in place as i noted before and will continue, if democracy (in its current form can you call it that these days) we would be in zimbabwe, darfur, rounding up genocidal maniacs and allowing african countries to attempt to get backup to a standard where fearing for your life or watching people being killed around you is NOT an everyday occourance.
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Sorry kronas I respect you a lot but I have to say this time you are talking rot...A hero is a hero is a hero whomever they are fighting for or protecting.Just because governments are crap at picking wars and what to defend does not make the men and women who end up doing the fighting any the less heroes.Plus going by your reasoning you would be saying that WW1 was a justified war when it was nothing but a futile exercise in wasting lives that blighted a whole generation to the point that we nearly failed to stand up to someone much worse.If WW1 hadn't taken place we might not have had to fight WW11.
No war is ever justified but neither is sitting back and doing nothing.Also picking wars on the premise that we shouldn't fight to protect resources as well as to protect lives is nonsense.Neither reason is a good enough reason to be fighting IF negotiations can achieve the same result.
BUT to say anyone who selflessly puts their lives on the line to serve their country is not a hero because you don't agree with the war is morally bankrupt.I may not approve of war but I would never say that those who fight don't deserve the epitaph of hero if they fight the wars that they have sworn to fight on behalf of the democratically elected government.