[Berealwith]

I am in agreement that VM need to manage, shape whatever you call it. VM provide routers, so that means 4 pc's can be used on one line. so 20mb shared 5mb, lets call it 4mb each so surfing the web ............with an oversubscribed UBR i get less than 1mb in the evening so that divided by 4 gives surfing the web 256k if we arre lucky......THATS WHY I'M MAD....and if some noob says buy 4 lines i'll boil his head. But oh no its the downloaders, people cry.........get real it's virgin not updating the servers.....and don't cry its running at a loss.....Branson get your hands out of your pockets and spend some cash