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Hi Steven, welcome.

Originally Posted by steven_azari

ok just to sum this all up -

1st of all the 8mb connections will need to go through fibre optic cable, which bt are going to invest in laying down across the UK. Think about how long its taken NTL to install their network - thats how long it will take BT. For those that know, ADSL cant sustain a clear channel over a telephone line as the signal cant hold through the wiring.

Yes it can and no BT won't need fibre, my phone line will do 8Mbit down 800k up. Just to reach it out farther it'll require fibre in the loop.

2nd of all, NTL can match that speed, but dont need to just yet and cant as its not competitive business for other companies.

Bluntly, no we can't. No cable company ntl's size has tried. Only one operator I know of has made 10Mbit remotely successful. Cogeco who I formerly praised are having some, erm, bandwidth issues.

3rd BB through power lines should be coming out 2005 giving SDSL capabilities and speeds of around 2 meg down and up for around 24.99.

Not a chance. SSE have all but abandoned this technology, having managed the princely sum of about 80 customers in Winchester and Stonehaven.

4th of all, we still dont know what UPLOAD speeds will be in use. This is an important factor for gamers (which is one of the most important type customers out there). Both NTL and BT have a big problem when the power companies come, as well as all the ISP's out there that deal with their customers.

A 2Mbit ADSL line will almost certainly sustain an upstream of 512k.

My brother works for BT retail (the company that provides ADSL capabilities to ISP's such as AOL) and says they are all very concerned about power companies because at the moment, UK technology evolves around ADSL and cable internet. and setting up an SDSL server would cost the company more than they would make from it.

Strange, as BT Retail are only responsible for the BT Broadband range, and want to escape from BT Wholesale, who are the people who actually sell the network capacity, as it's costing them too much.

Power companies apart from SSE have done nothing in this regard, and with ADSL being so widespread there's no point, too many technical issues. Stonehaven and Winchester are still just experiments, a rollout commercially requires a lot of interest in a small area, and is completely pointless because to be honest a wireless antenna stuck on top of a substation would do a far better job, and be cheaper to the power company as well as having a longer range.

and I know NTL cant sustain a high upload speed compared to SDSL.

In regards to the Digital TV.

The channels are owned by sky and NTL make no profit from this service.

with the telephone service, We are a good service, but when problems arise (just like every company out there) it can take time to be resolved, especially when we are in the middle of a huge upgrade on our systems.

Actually when going up in speeds we could go to 1MBit upload, however market forces don't require it.

Don't get me wrong though, while BT's copper network can do 8Mbit their ATM network it's built around would cry