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Originally Posted by Neil
Agreed-but if ntl were such "Market Leaders", they would have had this wrapped up by now surely? 
Not so I don't think you'll find.
How?-Do you get all the interactive feature that Sky Digital offers? Can you get a Sky + Equivalent?
Fair enough. 
How does the fact that ntl don't offer what Sky do make them market leaders then? 
As I said, it came from within ntl, & for that reason I can't/won't name names, sorry.
Not nonsense at all-4 million is a large amount by anyone's standards.
The fact that it's not available to you has no nearing on the fact that an 8 meg DSL product is is still market leading.
Same as ADSL though-just because you can get it doesn't mean it will be up to scratch does it?
We agree! 
I think we've been down this road before, & there's little/no difference in the package prices if you have BT line/Sky & an ntl line & Family Pack (for example)
You wouldn't miss it with Sky +! But it's ok as that's probably not a "market leading" product is it?  
The original question was.....
And I genuinely don't believe they do (compared to Sky) based on my reasoning above. |
Upgrades take time and money especially when hardwares involved.........hopefully with the next batch of upgrades all the PACE STBs running broadband will be going. Im sure they are in the process of wrapping it up but nothing happens over night, having a larger network makes upgrading a more lengthy process.
Where will I find??
I get most of the Interactive features 'that are worthwhile' that Skys monopoly allows us to have ie the BBCi and Voting etc. I can get a Sky+ equivilent in TIVO or a DVD R which IMO is much better because it not proprietry kit that becomes useless should you swap providers.
How does the fact that Sky dont offer some of the basic usability features ntl do make them market leaders?? IMO they are different methods of getting essentially the same thing NEITHER is a market leader, preference is down to opinion.
I will wait and see what happens regarding speeds, but 2Mb is enough for me for now anyway!
4 million out of 24 million homes in the UK is 17% ish. Not that great ntl passes about 8 million homes, Telewest about 4million so 12 million UK Homes passed by Cable with speeds of 3Mb opposed to 4 million who 'might' get 8Mb.
Its not market leading if some people cant get it though is it? It is to those that can and not to those that cant IMO its not market leading to me because it would be as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Its like me saying I offer a 10mb Internet Connection but only in my house.........does that make me market leading?
Sky+ isnt market leading to me.........mainly because TiVO was there first, TiVO is not proprietry kit. Sky+ would require me to have Sky.
I genuinely believe they do offer a viable, I get the same product at a cheaper price for TV and Phone would cost £50.50 with BT/Sky £49.50 with ntl. faster speeds and genrally very reliable 1 outage in year.
2mb broadband for £24.99 anyone?