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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

It's smoke & mirrors with all politicians...

Give with one hand & take away with the other.

Reduction in the basic rate of tax? Worthless...

Unfortenatly we have a gullible population who think wow income tax reduced we better off. All give and take with more of it been take in recent years. People who are less wealthy are generally worse off with reduced income tax and increased council tax as income tax is more linked to ability to pay.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I like the idea there are legal wars If Iraq wasnt such a mess it would not be considered illegal.

Anyway, Depending on how you sum up all the taxs we are taxed less than European countrys. I.E France. But then they spend more on public services

Depends, someone on lower income here spends a higher proportion of their wealth on tax, whilst the wealthy here spend less. Mainly due to our over generous income tax system.

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Originally Posted by Bill C

So why should those that don't work because they cannot be arsed pay nothing . While those that got off there **** and did something with there lives and made it in to a good well payed job fund the **** bags.

Oh hang on we are now funding the **** bags when they are released from jail early so why not the **** bags that refuse to work.

Actually those who dont work generally pay less now anyway due to council tax benefit, the biggest losers under the current system are those who work but earn pennies.

Its very fair that those who earn more should pay more, the problem with society is they generally have the aittude of if you earning more it must mean you working harder.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Calm down. Not everyone who 'doesnt work' is a lay-about. Disabilty, single parents and the eldely for example. This isnt Nazi Germany, we dont leave people to rot if they cant work.I wouldnt call people you dont know **** bugs just because you have jumped to conclusions about their lifestyles/personalitys/motives.

Something we rarely agree on

The idea of the tax system is to take those from who can pay and use it to fund public services and to provide for those who are in need. Some people forget this. Of course it does get abused but by a minority not a majority.

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Originally Posted by iglu

So, because he has mansion, he has to pay a huge council tax bill?

The council tax bill is for council services provided, and house size is a stupid way of allocating the amount you pay.

But the rich people pay up

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/grap...-by-richest-30


a lot

Tax isnt about getting value for money for yourself its not like buying something from a shop.

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Originally Posted by RXP

Because that's the fairest way to raise funds for public spending. What is currently happening is that masses of taxes are being diverted from income tax to all sorts of sales tax - this is regressive and hurts the poor more. Of course you can take it to extremes and target abusers of the system, but overall it's the best way. Your anger would probably be directed better at the super rich, rather than the 'lay abouts', who benefit far more from the welfare state than poor people (corporate welfare)

What should alarm anyone is that large corporations pay less tax than real people (30% versus 40%), they get tax cuts for a variety of reasons, escape taxes on dubious legal grounds and benefit from massive corporate welfare - subsidies, tariffs, various military/pharmaceutical projects that socialise risk, while priviatising profit. These profits are then tunneled into off shore bank accounts ,where they are free from tax when the rest of us earn tiny salaries in comparison and pay 40% of it to the government.

In the UK, we probably raise enough money from taxes to have the worlds best public services - unfortunately our governments are so corrupt that they sink billions into wars and oil, then claim that too much public spending might cause 'upwards inflationary pressure' to borrow the over used excuse.

Not much to disagree with there, if people did their research they would find generally as a corporation you have a higher tax window so can get more before you start paying tax, you pay a lower % and its then easier to shift profits off shore for tax avoidance on interest etc. Agree on the governments as well.