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Originally Posted by Chris T
Why are you asking me?! The outline popper posted from Wikipedia shows that memetics is a much deeper 'theory' than what you posted as your understanding of it.
I have no intention of defending memetics, I simply observe that based on the Wikipedia entry, there seems to be a lot more to it than you apparently thought.
I'm not certain how these questions are relevant to what I asked you.
Could you please explain to me, if you have faith in someone to do something, why you have that faith in them?
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for me and i suspect many people, its a learned response, as in you have faith or trust that that person is reliable and has proven in the past they can be trusted to do as they say, and so you have faith in them.
hence the expression, trust has to be earned, so i supose faith has to be earned to, or is that a meme, as in, well they were proved to be reliable and put you on the right track or thought, so its reasonable to also link their thoughts/teachings to another truth/or NOT that faith exists!!!!, round and round we go...
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Originally Posted by danielf
Actually, I edited my post to say it's an empirical fact. Surely, it is not too hard to grasp that having faith that an empirically/objectively observable entity behaves in a certain manner is a different matter than believing in the existence of a supernatural omnipotent being that cannot be objectively observed?
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i think it would be only fair to include the word 'yet' in the 'omnipotent being that cannot be objectively observed', after all it might be the case one day they can finally observe these things....
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Originally Posted by Chris T
But if it is empirically measured and observed and documented, is it faith?
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sure, infact more so, as now people can see this 'empirically measured and observed and documented' thing that backs up the learned faith...
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Not at all, it's called debate.
I don't agree to that. The use of the word faith (based on my perception of it) is correct on both counts.
It is a question of managing your expectations based on personal view points. To a child the tooth fairy and Father Christmas are very real and their faith that they will receive presents is usually justified and rewarded. As you get older and find out the truth about Father Christmas you find out the truth and lose your faith - you don't expect anything.
Whereas the religious amongst us believe that Christ is the truth and therefore are wholly justified in having their faith.
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you dont need to be religious to beleave that jesus existed, infact i think many/most people do think he did, he was just another bloke that was hard done by, and had his own memes to deal with for his timeframe, he earned a few quid here and there working with wood,and perhaps later found he could make more money and fame in politics and arbitration etc..... its all relative, and in context of the times i supose.