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					Originally Posted by  foreverwar
					 
				 
				Ontogeny versus philogeny. 
  
You tell people they are ****, treat them like ****, and fairly soon they will believe they are ****, and act accordingly. 
  
Treat them like civilised people, and they (mostly) act like civilised people. 
			
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 Wasn't there an upgraded estate in Scotland (somewhere up north anyway) where people were given lovely houses, and within a few months it was turned to poo?