[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Thanks for the Link.... can I ask where you're from/where you live?

I have just read that link, and it doesn't differentiate between immigrants and UK born muslims.

Could it be that no one wants to employ a muslim, based on the streotypes that are prevalent in society about them. (you can see a lot of these in this Forum, and I doubt if its just restriced to CF)

Also the muslim religion emcompasses people from quite a lot of backgrounds, so that percentage could also include Bristish born muslims. I am assuming the survey required the respondant to indicate their religion. It will definately include Bengalis and Somalians who make up quite a big chunk of the unemployed in parts of London for example. Its difficult to relate that survey/report to immigrants without more information.

I agree that stereotyping will exist especially after 9/11, having spoken to some of my friends about this last night they have put me straight on a few other things as well like many people I used to work with were actually muslim when I thought they wasn't.

My views on immigration I would like to add would apply to whites as well, so american, australian, german and french immigrants would be included in my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

It's quite easy if you just use your noggin
Asylum seekers are not allowed to work, so are reliant on reduced benefits and social housing (different allocation of social housing to natives, so no worry about them jumping ahead of any British workshy scrotes now, so don't fret). Why aren't they allowed to work I hear any sensible person ask?
Well, you see, a load of racist anti-immigrant bigots went "waaa waaa waaa they're just claiming to be asylum seekers to take all our jobs, the low paid ones which Brits like us don't want to do" so the governmnet, in true Tabloid Policy style, denied asylum seekers the right to work, so any doctors, nurses, teachers etc who are qualified to work in the UK, just can't. So, because they can't work, there's this little thing called duty of care, you may have heard about it, it's sometimes considered part of what's being British, and basically it means that being decent human beings (we are decent human beings aren't we? Well, I am) we look after people in need whenever we can. So rather than your asylum seeker being able to work, pay rent, tax, food etc, they now are reliant on the state to support them. Course, then all the right wing racist biggots said "Waa waa waa they're all coming over to get benefits that our own workshy scrotes should get" so the benefits that an asylum seeker get are lower than what a British workshy scrote would get.
Then the right wing racist biggots said "Waa waa waa they're still coming for benefits, and 0.5% of the total benefit expendature is way too high, that money should go to British workshy scrotes" and we have the situation we're in today where the media loves blurring the line between immigrant and asylum seeker.
Great isn't it?



So Catholics who send their kids to Catholic schools aren't native then?
Or Anglicans who send their children to CoE schools?

Educating someone who spent most of their childhood speaking another language costs more in time, but even if English isn't spoken at home, most children who were born here are able to speak english by the time they reach primary school (the exception I know of being the son of an ex-neighbour, who could hardly speak, didn't know his colours or how to count to 3, but could swear like a trooper. Course his mother was white, english (native), and never did a days work in her life, oh and her other kids are currently helping to boost the prison population even higher).

The reason asylum seekers are part of my arguments is simply because the 2 things are linked, if you have an open immigration policy then quite simply there will be more asylum seekers the two things come hand in hand so asylum seekers costs should be counted as part of costs associated with immigration.

Immigrants from countries such as australia and american I would expect to have lower costs as there shouldnt be so much of a language and culture barrier but they of course all add to the overcrowding problems we have in this country.

Regarding the native stuff I knew it would be questioned but hard to word what I am on about. Its not merely about religion but more to do with language and culture barriers.