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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
My real life experience suggests the opposite, local housing benefit office is maybe 50% immigrant mothers. We have numerous schools that teach immigrant kids only or are dominated by immigrant kids. One of the stats released by our government (not saying its accurate) points out immigrants are having more children per child bearing woman then non immigrants, I think people aren't going to come here have/with children then take them back to their native country.
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Someone else earlier pointed out about confusing asylum seekers with immigrants I may be doing this but its hard to see who is a immigrant and who is an asylum seeker.
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When you say that in your local office housing Benefit office that immigrant mothers make up at least 50% of the claimants, I doubt that this is reflected nationwide. It would be interesting if there were stats that showed percentage of immigrants claiming housing benefit as a proportion to total claimants. Additionally how long ago have the immigrated into the UK? Are you saying that these people are, to use a common term, "straight of the boat", and getting housing benefits?
As for schools that exclusively only teach immigrants, I have yet to come across any of these in London, so I'm curious to know where in the UK you are referring to.
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Yep, I probably come across as racist to a few people when I am not, I have asian friends, polish friends some do agree and some dont agree with my views. I dont wish for immigration to be stopped, I expect most people dont wish for immigration to be stopped but would like there to be more control of it and limited, not only does it cause crowding in the country but it also creates a bad stigma around every immigrant in this country.
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I dont see you coming across as being a racist, and I understand what you say about controlled immigration. I am just fed up with people blaming everything from house prices to kids doing badly at school to immigrants, in particular indian/pakistani muslim ones which seem to be flavour of the month for the anti immigration fanatics. In my opinion a lot of non immigrants in the UK are not unemployed because of the immigrants coming here, but more so because of their own inability to get off their backside and actually go out to work, rather than sponging off the dole.
As for the housing price/shortages, I read a few months ago that the London property price increase was down to the banking sector and their huge bonuses. Yes, banking does have a lot of immigrants, but you'd find that they are all working. You cant just single out immigration for housing shortages/property prices.
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
From what I see polish immigrants are benefiting the private sector a lot, they tend to work hard for low wages and then live in private rented properties of course this is also keeping wages low, immigrants from muslim countries have a high unemployment ratio and high amount of illegal immigration, also from african countries high amount of illegal immigration but are hard workers similiar to the polish, all this is from my own personal experiences and stats from muslim employment. It may well be a different picture to what it is like nationally.
One thing we can be sure of there is currently nowhere near enough houses been built which would also indicate public services are stressed since they tend to be expanded alongside housing.
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Would it be possible to publish a link to stats regarding Muslim employment. I would say that muslim immigrants from India, Pakistan and Africa do very well in employement and contribute quite highly to the UK economy, be they employed or self employed. I find it quite strange that once again muslim immigrants that are being singled out, this time for being unemployed. In my experience the majority of muslim immigrants (especially those from India/Pakistan and a few African countries) are hard working, and have a healthy work ethic. Their kids (who were born here or who came over when they were very young) do very well at school too, and go on to university to study proper degrees such as economics, business, computing, medicine and not media studies or art or drama which seems to be quite common with the english (oh sorry for stereo typing but it seems to be contagious on this thread).