[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by danielf

I'm not quite sure if that argument holds. Firstly, many immigrants will bugger off after a few years. Secondly, if they put their children through full education here, the children are likely to remain here and pay their own taxes (i.e. they would be contributing as much as the average native briton (on average)).

My real life experience suggests the opposite, local housing benefit office is maybe 50% immigrant mothers. We have numerous schools that teach immigrant kids only or are dominated by immigrant kids. One of the stats released by our government (not saying its accurate) points out immigrants are having more children per child bearing woman then non immigrants, I think people aren't going to come here have/with children then take them back to their native country.

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Someone else earlier pointed out about confusing asylum seekers with immigrants I may be doing this but its hard to see who is a immigrant and who is an asylum seeker.

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I'm technically an immigrant (been here since 1975 tho) and most of my friends are 'immigrants' too.

Where I work the majority of the temps are immigrants (South Africans, Aussies, Albanians, a Lituanina and some Poles)

I think a lot of people on this forum know immigrants personally hence the discussions.

Yep, I probably come across as racist to a few people when I am not, I have asian friends, polish friends some do agree and some dont agree with my views. I dont wish for immigration to be stopped, I expect most people dont wish for immigration to be stopped but would like there to be more control of it and limited, not only does it cause crowding in the country but it also creates a bad stigma around every immigrant in this country.

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Originally Posted by Damien

What nationality? Most immgration is slow, it hasnt gone up that drastically in the last 10 years. Most schools kids from immgrant familys would have been born here.

Depends where you live as they tend to congregate in areas, its grown here by over 20% in the last 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

An there is the challenge that this government has failed to rise to. Get the spongers off benefits and get them working rather than let in loads of foreign workers.

Now that really would help the UK economy.

Yes but their precious housing market would collapse as housing demand would be lost without immigration

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

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Chrysalis refers to an open immigration policy, when that isn't the case. It's apparently not even that easy to get a tourist visa to come and visit the UK for tourism!
There's also the suggestion that there will be a language barrier strain on education as immigrants have more children than natives (I assume that by natives, Chrysalis is not including native muslims, catholics, chavs, orthadox jews etc), even though children born in this country to immigrant parents can speak english before they get to school through the amazing ability of children to learn languages, even from TV (I knew a turkish boy who by the age of 4 could speak fluent american thanks to Seseme street).

Well by natives I mean people who dont need to be treated different to live in this country, examples school uniforms, speaking english, mixing with whites/asians etc. The reason there is these schools is because the children attending them would have problems attending a traditional school. Its a touchy subject and people can easily be offended by what I am trying to say but I hope my points are understood, educating children from a family where the parents can barely speak english is more diffilcult and expensive then educating someone who has had family here for generations.

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I think the difference between now and further back in history, is the perception of the immigrants usefulness to the UK.

To stereotype to a certain degree, Irish workers were 'encouraged' here to build roads and caribbean workers were 'encouraged' here to drive buses and trains. That is a completely different reason to modern immigrants, modern immigrants are welcomed here by companies that want to pay peanuts to maximise their profits.

Joe public sees no benefit in an immigrant coming here and working for a private company unlike those filling a public sector job. Even Polish workers coming here to build houses are carrying out a much needed task, but they are again working cheaply to line the pockets of private companies.

Apart from Nurses and Doctors Immigrants are not filling many positions that have a direct benefit to the public.

There is also housing, housing demands are currently driven by private landlords buying up properties and letting out to immigrants and students, previously it was more mainly students. In terms of social housing it is well known in areas of social housing that asylum seekers/immagrants will get priority on social housing it is very noticeable as 9 out of 10 houses an asylum seeker will move into and when someone asks them how long they been waiting for the house they will say something like a month or a week when people have been on the waiting list for years. Reasons like this is why people in estate areas have a higher objection to immigration as they are affected more. Again asylum seekers which technically are not immigrants are part of this.

From what I see polish immigrants are benefiting the private sector a lot, they tend to work hard for low wages and then live in private rented properties of course this is also keeping wages low, immigrants from muslim countries have a high unemployment ratio and high amount of illegal immigration, also from african countries high amount of illegal immigration but are hard workers similiar to the polish, all this is from my own personal experiences and stats from muslim employment. It may well be a different picture to what it is like nationally.

One thing we can be sure of there is currently nowhere near enough houses been built which would also indicate public services are stressed since they tend to be expanded alongside housing.