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Originally Posted by Damien
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Damien you come across as a bit gullible reading stories like this as gospel, 1.5million workers probably means 1.5million legit tax paying workers so will exclude all the illegal working immigrants and of course when they talk about the public services costs it probably excludes the costs of providing public services to non working immigrants and asylum seekers.
The fact they are saying it has little impact on wages is it no surprise that areas that have a high immigrant population also have the lowest wage levels in the country.
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Originally Posted by sherer
for every report saying they are usefull there will be reports saying they aren't.. whatever view you have you can always put spin on these and if you want the anti immigration people can just choose to ignore these pro reports anyway
i was saying to someone the other day that if they all went "back to where they came from" as alot want I don't think I would be able to get into work. I know my office wouldn't be clean as we would have no cleaners.. plus alot of other jobs.. alot of nurses as from other countries as they would be missed plus the hundreds of other useful jobs they do too..
i've met more work shy, chavs, jobs from the UK than I have immigrants
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Of course you not wrong, but where I disagree with you is you taking extremist views, are you saying there is only two options in that we either send every immigrant back and completely close the borders or we carry on having an open immigration policy, why not just limit immigration and make people claim asylum before they enter the uk?
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Originally Posted by danielf
I've had a cursory glance as well, but what they are actually saying is that population growth in general tends to help the economy by creating more demand (page 10; the baby boom example is quite interesting). It also says that, because migrants tend to be young adults, they are less likely to use public services (i.e. they have already been educated), which plays a large part in them being net contributors). (page 19). Page 18 also gives data on net contributions during 2003/2004 (when on average more was taken out than was paid in, but this was particularly true of the natives)
Edit: figured out how to copy from that article
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Interesting points about the education, what they forget to realise is immigrants are having more children per women then non immigrant women at current so of course in years to come there will be a future impact on the education system. no forward thinking in that report if thats how they concluded.