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Originally Posted by foreverwar
But unlike other commentators, Trevor Philips proposed solutions to increase integration, rather than just repeating "rivers
of blood" type speeches. If by the "recent riots" you mean Birmingham Lozells, they seem very reminiscent of occurrences in Norn Iron in the 60's up to recently (or doesn't NI count as part of UK?). If you mean the riots in 2001, not very "recent", are they?
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And in spite of Philips' proposals, integration is not increasing and communities are becoming even more segregated. In the context of immigration (and you
did go back to the Roman era) the riots in 2001 were recent. I can't see that any changes have been made that will stop this sort of violence occuring again, and the public have lost confidence in the mainstream parties to listen to their concerns. And the riots in NI (which is clearly a part of the UK) were about very specific grievances.
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Oooh, to name but a few - BNP, UKIP; if you read their literature (and I am sure you do), you will find many instances of comments and language catering to the lowest common demonimator of fear of differences. I don't believe that everyone who raises the issue of immigration (loved the way you inserted "mass" in there - nice trick using emotive language ) is crying
wolf, just the ones who use the topic to incite fear in others for their own ends, appealing to those who feel uneasy and are looking for someone, anyone, to blame. btw, who said (besides you, twisting things round and using more emotive language) that some people support "mass" (there's that extra word slipped in again) immigration, and that they have an agenda? Or is
that the old political trick of smearing non-existent opponents, in order to let the the smearers (uuurgh) make statements that would otherwise have no justification? (as in, we must stand against all these people who believe in "mass" (love that word) immigration).
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I don't read the BNP's literature, but I have read UKIP's and don't find anything to support what you have suggested. But if you want to supply a specific policy or quote from UKIP, I'll think again, of course. And as for using emotive languague, you have been at least as guilty of that than I have. But I think we will obviously disagree on that! Just how would you describe immigration at the present level? (Net 180,00 pa.) To describe it as "mass" was not a "trick" at all.
In believing that people are incapable of making up their own minds after listening to the various commentators, I think you are being particularly patronising.
Mainstream parties without a doubt support immigration at levels are unprecedented in British history. (They even want Turkey in the EU.) I accept that you can't answer for Labour and the Lib Dems, but perhaps you know why the Tories do?
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erm, 48th out of 230 - not really "one of the World's most densely populated countries", is it?
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Yes, it is when comparing like with like, and I can’t really see the point of doing anything else.
1. Monaco
2 Macau S.A.R.
3 Hong Kong S.A.R.
4 Singapore
5 Gibraltar
6 Vatican City
7 Malta
8 Bermuda
9 Maldives
10 Bahrain
11 Bangladesh
12 Channel Islands
13 Nauru
14 Republic of China
15 Barbados
– Saint-Martin (France)
16 Palestinian territories
17 Mauritius
18 Aruba (Netherlands)
– Mayotte (France)
19 South Korea
20 San Marino
21 Puerto Rico (US)
22 Tuvalu
23 Netherlands
24 Martinique (France)
25 Comoros
26 Lebanon
27 Rwanda
28 Marshall Islands
29 Belgium
30 Japan
31 India
32 El Salvador
– Saint-Barthélemy (France)
33 American Samoa (US)
34 U.S. Virgin Islands (US)
35 Sri Lanka
36 Réunion (France)
37 Guam (US)
38 Haiti
39 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
40 Israel
41 Saint Lucia
42 Philippines
43 Burundi
44 Grenada
45 Trinidad and Tobago
46 Vietnam
47 Guadeloupe
48 United Kingdom
And with few exceptions (most notably Belgium and the Netherlands) none of those countries have accepted unrestricted immigration on anything even close to the level seen in Britain. And I’d still be interested to hear your thoughts on the quality of life for future inhabitants of this country. (Official predicted population increase of 10 million by 2075.)
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Black Death = 14th Century; Hugeunots = 17th Century - the connection is? The plague outbreak in the 17th Century killed approx 100k in England, and the Hugeunots integrated over time, just like (I believe) recent immigrants will.
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You wanted to look at immigration in the historical context, didn’t you? I brought the Black Death up to one consequence of a falling population, and the Hugeunot immigration was tiny in today's terms. We are all free to believe whatever we wish.
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Freezin, what can you tell us about the mass immigration from Ireland that occured in the 50's?
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Why?