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Originally Posted by helmutcheese
1) We ARE limited no matter what anyone inc the Mod says, the fact is if I drive on the M1 and am made to leave it after 5miles cause of roadworks then
I'm limited on my use of the M1, in the same sense as if I can use the M1 from start to finish but there is a speed restriction of 50MPH, its still a limit imposed on me.
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Actually, I was arguing it wasn't an extra limit, as by buy 20 meg service, you are already limited by speed, and all shaping does is slow downloads. Why do you mentioned being made to leave the M1? If the autorities forced you to slow down after you had driven so many miles, you'd have a point, but they don't.
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2) This constant figure of 5% of high users its crap, there is a report on this forum or the other big forum showing the bottom/middle/high end users, the high end are approx 5% and do not take up the whole system, the middle average "Joe 6 Pack" user consumes most of the networks traffic, and at the end of the day the high end users had the same habits while we were on 512K, then 1meg, then 2meg, then 3meg, then 4meg and then 10meg while it was good for a period of time before NTL merger with TW-BY (takeover IMO).
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Where is this report then? Bear in mind that (admittedly years ago), I spoke to someone who actually had access to the bandwidth usage reports that NTL use (the actual reports generated by the network hardware) and he said roughly the same as VM do now.
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You have your ISP to blame for takiing on more and more custmers in areas that were at limit of users for the design of the network, now most if not all UBR's are oversubscribed, a expression you didnt hear till recently and you can also read on these forums about how they dont dig deep and speed the profits on upgrading the network, they run it with a bare minium of a budget. (think it was yesterdays news)
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While I agree that Virgin Media could be spending a lot more on the network, how do you know that most (if not all) UBRs are oversubscribed?
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Originally Posted by supercyber
man what is that, totally bogus, u sure u can compare the service with cars and train?
the government dont sell the cars!!!!!!! but however is VM own network and its service and sales.
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The analogy is valid because both networks (the Road and VMs) have fixed capacities. In both cases there are far more users than they can cope with. In both cases, it is not economically or physically practical to expand the network enough so that everyone can max out their usage.