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Lovely rationale there Bertie, the old "individual cases" trickspeak. Each individual case, when viewed collectively, constitutes a percentage of the overall customer base
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Well spotted, but there aren't that many of them (well so far, as you can assume that most home users won't even notice a slower speed). If the complaining ones threaten to leave VM and do so I doubt VM will care as it's such a small number. VM have hundreds of people doing research into the market, it's not like they've just gone "oh lets implement shaping and see what happens".
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My earlier "Who polices the police"? comment reflects this.
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Ofcom
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Are you of the opinion that if someone is wrongly traffic managed (on a service tier that they pay for) that it is entirely acceptable for that to happen?
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No, but **** happens. It's not acceptable for the people who get low speeds on their 20MB connection (even without shaping), however if I spent all my time worrying about other people's connections I wouldn't get much done.
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Since when have VM become the custodians of legal / illegal content? To put this in context (and entirely dispel any notion that there is some sort of "legal content" consideration playing any part in this decision) VM are using a "download up to 4000 music tracks in a day" pitch to sell this service. Who do you know that can afford to pay for that sort of legally downloaded content a day?
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No one, but thats marketing my friend. If people are foolish enough to think "oh i can download 4000 tracks yay" then thats their fault...
I never said they were the "custodians" - my point is that of the people hitting those limits I expect much is due to illegal content. Since, as you rightly pointed out, no one can afford to pay for that much media.
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Nice attempt at a sleight, but it's not my campaign.
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I apologise, 'your' is both singular and plural. I meant it in the plural sense to all those 'campaigning'.
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And it's about time people stood up to them and asked quite simply why
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Keeping over 3 million people happy is always going to be an impossible task. As dontpannic said, with that volume of business they must be doing something right.