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Originally Posted by Chris T
Trying to discuss the eternal nature of God is like two worms trying to discuss a rainbow. We simply don't have the means to perceive what we would need to perceive in order to have anything approaching a conclusive discussion on the subject.
In any case, comparing the complexity of God with the complexity of the eye is like comparing apples and oranges. God is posited to exist in an entirely different realm, outside of the created universe and unbound by any of its laws (he is held, in fact, to be the author of the laws). There is no reason to expect that such a being must necessarily conform to any of the laws of physics that we know to operate in our universe.
The eye, on the other hand, exists in a physical universe whose laws we claim to understand. The basic position of the 'Intelligent Design' hypothesis is irreducable complexity. That is, given what we know about the laws that govern the universe, and our observations of how things occur within the universe as they follow those laws, it is absurd to suggest that an eye could have arisen spontaneously.
This observation, of processes occuring within the universe and taking account of certain laws, has no necessary impact on a being who is held to exist, by his very definition, outside of the universe and unbound by its laws.
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It's the old "who are we to understand someone like god" cliche that you've tarted up in a slightly classier outfit.
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God is posited to exist in an entirely different realm, outside of the created universe and unbound by any of its laws (he is held, in fact, to be the author of the laws).
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You know this how? Because you have met God in this realm? Did it say this in the bible even? or was it because someone decided that this is the case because it best suited their vision of who God was and then through time it simply became fact(much like the estimate of the Earth being 15,000 years old)?
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it is absurd to suggest that an eye could have arisen spontaneously.
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The evolution of the eye has been explained actually. In fact, I watched a documentary, The Blind Watchmaker, just last week that covered this.
Evolution is not about spontaneous happening. It's about small changes over millions of years.
Next up: If God is so perfect and he created our Earth by his own hand, why did he booby trap it with volcanoes, earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis etc.