[Pierre]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

So they saw some of the other fans making Nazi salutes and thought "Ooooh, I don't know what they're doing, but it looks really interesting, and my right arm could do with a work-out, so I'll copy them" - do you really believe these guys didn't know they were doing Nazi salutes in order to upset the Israelis?

No, they knew they were doing Nazi salutes to upset the opposing fans of the israeli football team. But I doubt any of them are fully paid up members fo Combat 18.

I could only go on the evidence in the photo - how can you be sure it is not representative of the fan base? What evidence do you have to back up that statement?

I don't but you're the one making the accusation so the onus is upon you. One small photo showing a very small percentage of fans present showing an even smaller percentage of fans with their arm raised and you are accusing all Rangers fans of being racist.

Based on what evidence?

That the photo was a small snapshot and could in no way be used to incriminate the larger proportion of fans present.

Glad you find it humourous

It was a laugh of suprise and disbelief, not humour,

I don't remember any of the episodes actually being filmed and set in Israel, and as for the Indy film, you must be running out of straws to grasp at to justify your fellow fans actions.

Oh I see, so it would only be offensive to Jews to parade around as Nazis if only undertaken in Israel?????

That would be in response to acts of war - could you remind me when the Jewish race declared war on Germany?

Was it a measured response, opinion is divided, certainly the war was as good as over and we flattened Dresden to make a point, and my point of English fans forever bringing up the war and wearing German helmets is still just as valid.

So you equate the insulting of one person with the genocide of six million - great sense of proportion.

I think it's the likes of people like you that are blowing things out of proportion.

I honestly don't know, but I would hazard a rough guess that genocide is probably quite a bit past that threshold.

Indeed, doesn't explain your double standards though.

I have no anger at these idiots, only shame at being associated with them as a fellow Brit. I think if you visit Yad Vashem , you would see how they feel about people who glorify the Holocaust (even if it was only in "fun").

I would hardly call this as "Glorifying the Holocaust"

btw, I believe these morons are probably a small section of the Rangers supporters - but why aren't Rangers being proactive and banning them; they have photograph?

I agree with that.