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I didn't ask "what was Wrong" I just failed to see the importance, and I still do. The Nazis were indeed terrible. So too were the japanese. But we have moved on and but for a few brainless scottish drunks I just fail to see the whole "uptightness" of the situation. I bet half of them don't even knew what the symbol meant.
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So they saw some of the other fans making Nazi salutes and thought "Ooooh, I don't know what they're doing, but it looks really interesting, and my right arm could do with a work-out, so I'll copy them" - do you really believe these guys didn't know they were doing Nazi salutes in order to upset the Israelis?
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well that would be 16% wouldn't it based onthe localisation of that photgraph. How many were at the ground 5,000 -10,000. I don't know, but it certainly cannot be representative of the fan base.
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I could only go on the evidence in the photo - how can you be sure it is not representative of the fan base? What evidence do you have to back up that statement?
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again to small a snapshot to be sure.
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Based on what evidence?
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Ha... Genocide Glorification.......oh dear, oh dear.
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Glad you find it humourous
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Mindless idiots yes. trying to get a rise out of the opposition - yes. Insulting them - yes.
but if a Nazi salute is "genocide glorification" no doubt Freddie Starr, Father Ted, Indiana Jones (and that sitcom with a surburban couple living next to the hitlers) writers will all burn in hell.
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I don't remember any of the episodes actually being filmed and set in Israel, and as for the Indy film, you must be running out of straws to grasp at to justify your fellow fans actions.
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Maybe not gas but we bombed them virtuality into non-existence. I'm not apologising for that but eg. Dresden. we wiped them offthe face of the map. So I could definitely understand why the Germans could be upset about that. Not all Germans were Nazis. But we bombed the sh*t out of them.
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That would be in response to acts of war - could you remind me when the Jewish race declared war on Germany?
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Is it? is really? If you are out to offend, and that is your only objective - does it matter what the target is?
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So you equate the insulting of one person with the genocide of six million - great sense of proportion.
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Oh I see, there is a death threshold that has to be passed before we are offended. What is that by the way????
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I honestly don't know, but I would hazard a rough guess that genocide is probably quite a bit past that threshold.
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Well thats up to you. Me, I like to worry about things I can influenece.
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What, like racist Rangers fans?
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And they've been through at lot worse than this, so before you bestoe your anger, and then secondly your support upon them. Why not ask them how they feel. They probably have more pressing issues to deal with thasn wasting time on this non-entity
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I have no anger at these idiots, only shame at being associated with them as a fellow Brit. I think if you visit
Yad Vashem , you would see how they feel about people who glorify the Holocaust (even if it was only in "fun").
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Isn't democracy a wonderful thing.
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If you find, could you let me know?
btw, I believe these morons are probably a small section of the Rangers supporters - but why aren't Rangers being proactive and banning them; they have photograph?