ok, I think I have sussed - if virgin media are going to move people on ntl packages to the new virgin media packages (anyone know if this is going to happen?) then what I am presently on (family pack, sky sports, 2mb bb, std phone) will be £66 a month; £11 phone, £20.50 xl tv, £18 2mb bb, £16.50 sky sports. so the difference between tv packs is £12 - cos I could get the 3 for £30 + skysports for £24 = £54... or I could just be a tightwad and face facts that there really isn't that much new programming on telly

, and just go back to 4 + a bit channels & dvd's: broadband +basic phone £20
hmm...