[punky]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

It is quantifiable

It isn't. How many cigarettes give you cancer? Some people smoke 1 a day and get lung cancer at 40, some smoker 40+ and live to they are 90. How is that quantiable?

If its quantifable, then how many cigarettes will give you cancer? How much passive smoking will give you cancer? Noone can possibly say

And whats to say that a smoker who gets lung cancer is directly due to smoking? Smoking is a contributary cause, but its not the only cause. It can be coincidence.

· around 3,400 people die from lung cancer (ranging from 3,423 to 8,866)
· 46,000 die from cardiac-related illness (range of 22,700 to 69,600)
· 430 children die from sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

How the hell can they say SHS causes cot death? Noone knows what causes cot death. Over the years almost everything has been blamed on it, from lead paint, overheating due to being wrapped in blankets and murderous mums.

And how can they say what percentage of cardiac-related illnesses are due to SHS?

[FONT=Arial][I]Another 24,500 babies are born with low birth weight and 71,900 born prematurely. There are around 202,300 episodes of childhood asthma (new cases and exacerbations) and 787,700 cases of middle ear infection in children due to SHS exposure"

And it can be proven that that was all down to SHS and no other cause?

You obviously haven't been to JobCentre+ lately - if you don't find your type of job within 13 weeks, you must try for anything - I cannot see them accepting "I do not wish to work in an area where I will be exposed to Second Hand Smoke" as a reason not to take a job.

Actually, I have... And there are other jobs than bar work available. People are capable of doing hundreds of different jobs without specialisr training. You could also start your business. Retrain in something else.

And as a place of business, they must comply with health & safety regulations, including those about not allowing an environment or conditions that could negatively affect their employees health.

What about Police? Fire brigade? Security guards?

If that is their skillset and they enjoy their job, how is it an insult? (I worked in a pub for a few months, and a few of my colleagues had worked in bars for over 20 years - they would find it difficult to get another job).

Difficult does not equal impossible. To say people are only capable of one sole employ is insulting.

---------- Post added at 18:12 ---------- Previous post was at 18:06 ----------

Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

punky, you seem not to understand the realities of those in low wage economies. choice is not by any means a given.

Yeah, OK. I disagree with you, so I don't understand?

pubs are public places by definition.

No they aren't. That's why you can be barred by the owners. If they are public, then everyone, children and adults, would have a right to be there. They aren't. The are private businesses.

anyways this thread is getting incredibly tedious and going around in circles,

Couldn't have put it better myself

You and your cohorts (lot allowed to say mob anymore?) can say I have no idea what its like to be poor (I am earning less than minimum wage, remember), etc, but that doesn't mean I am wrong.