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Originally Posted by foreverwar
"As for Rankin, not much love lost there" - lmao - thank you for your reasoned rebuttal.
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Coming from someone who consistently ignores my questions, that is a bit rich. I didn't think it was worth the effort of dissecting the views of someone who apparently left the party in very acrimonious circumstances more than 2 years ago. All political parties attract all kinds of people, but his view of UKIP as a "bleak world of bigots who hated foreigners, gays and Muslims" is nothing like the one that I know, and I have met many people with UKIP associations, both party members and some of the hierarchy, in social and political circumstances.
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Originally Posted by foreverwar
Re Tony Blair - just because you don't agree, doesn't mean it is untrue - I disagree with some of TB's policies, but I do believe he means well, on the whole.
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But ... dedicated his life to serving Britain? If he thinks what Blair has done is somehow serving his country, he and I have very different ideas on what it is to serve one's country.
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Originally Posted by foreverwar
You keep stating "your party" & "your own MP"; no party is my party - I do not pay subscriptions to any political party.
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My apologies for having tainted you with the Tory association.
May I ask which party you are likely to vote for in the next election?
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Originally Posted by foreverwar
Real debate? - driving out anyone who disagrees with you - real debate.
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How have I done that? I have asked you to explain the Tory Party's (or the Labour party's deceit if you have transferred your allegiance to them) justification for its deceit and why it insists on staying in the EU and it's obvious that you can't. It's not much of a debate when you get to disregard questions you don't like. I have as far as I can tell answered your questions, obviously not in the way that suited you, but answered nevertheless. If there is anything I have missed, please do say.
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Originally Posted by foreverwar
Luuuuuurve the way you keep using "deceit" - how about the deceit of the Tories who called anyone who spoke out of line in the 80's "traitors", yet turned round and did the same thing in the 90's - or was that "principles"?
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Perhaps you could explain what this "deceit" to which you refer relates to? I think the deceit of the British people is more important than the Tories desire to stay in power.
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Originally Posted by foreverwar
Good luck in getting your first Westminster seat, as unfortunately, in 2005, out of the 495 candidates you put up, you won zero. And I hope you don't lose any more London Assembly members or Euro MP's, like the last two who are no longer UKIP MEPs (Robert Kilroy-Silk & Ashley Mote).
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Oooh, painful. But true
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I still wouldn't vote for any of the deceitful mainstream parties. There's not much point in an opposition party having MPs when they consistently fail to perform their duty of holding the government to account. UKIP MPs will probably never get the chance, but I'm fairly sure they'd do a much better job if they did.
I've just noticed your list of results, and they don't change any of my views. One thing is striking: the sliding support for both major parties. Why do you think that is?