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Originally Posted by foreverwar
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I've seen this before. We can discuss some of the stuff on that link from if you're up for it? Like his references to the Switzerland and Norway, or his claim that Ted Heath, John Major and Tony Blair have "dedicated their lives to serving Britain." I wouldn't expect you to agree with my views about Ted Heath and John Major, but how can you take the opinions of someone who thinks that Tony Blair has "dedicated" his "life to serving Britain" seriously!? And as for Rankin, there's not much love lost there.
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Originally Posted by foreverwar
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Can't really see the problem with what Farage said. UKIP MEPs have said a great many things, and provided a much better opposition to Blair than the Tories have done. Why do we stay in? As before, answer this satisfactorily, and you triumph. You would not even need to justify the deceit. How for instance do you reconcile Tory MEPs membership of the EPP (the most federalist grouping in the EP) with their "
in Europe, but not run by Europe" stance?
One of your own MPs, Bob Spink, MP for Castle Point in Essex, insisted that Ukip members were "
very good people" who were simply trying to defend their country against "
over-bearing" legislation from Brussels (after the some really crass remarks from Cameron).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nukip06.xml
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Originally Posted by foreverwar
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So UKIP has a real democratic debate about the direction it should take. It's better to encourage such debate than the agreeing to go in the wrong (imo) direction. However, if you can show me a better party, I'll be pleased to consider it. (Veritas is now finished in all but name as far as I know, and I never supported it, not being an Kilroy-Silk admirer.) And UKIP's only similarity with the Tories of the 90s is in the fact that there was debate. UKIP wouldn't have had any involvement with the sell-out.
You'll be citing Labour MEP, Richard Corbett, to support your case next. He's always good for a laugh!
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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail
Well, like tebbit, theyre not exactly fans of the eu are they. or am i missing pretty much the whole point of their existence? this is their summary of themselves: "Libertarian, non-racist party seeking Britain's withdrawal from the European Union." so i stick by my europhobic comment (but you can remove the 'r' and 'o' if you so please ;- )
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No they are not fans of the EU, but you can tell me why they should be if you like. If you think simply being being opposed to membership of the EU is to be xenophobic, you are way off the mark. I love Europe (and have lived on mainland Europe) but I don't think the EU is good for the people of this country.
Euphobic I assume means opposition to the EU, not opposition to Europe. If that is what Hatedbythemail meant, I thank him for the distinction.