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Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling

A good few people on here would disagree. Some people just couldn't afford to get a higher speed, now they'll be forced to either upgrade to 2mb or look elsewhere, as the cap just isn't good enough for them.

Sorry, like everything else pretty much you get what you pay for.

In an earlier post you stated that if these services became more common then the charges would drop, now you're saying they're a stain on the system and costing companies too much money.

No, you were talking about people streaming DVDs, etc. I don't really think that P2P is everyone's idea of a great new service, especially as no-one makes any money out of it. When there's money to be made service providers will step up to the plate. At the momet giving the majority of your network's bandwidth away so that people can down / upload for the most part copyrighted material for free is a big revenue maker....

I still think they make much more money from the underusers than they lose with the overusers. And in return the overusers keep them ahead of the competition, wanting the fastest speeds possible, and paying enough to keep it viable, so they can use it in advertising, that they are the fastest provider in the UK.

The point that you are missing is that the overusers AREN'T the ones paying enough to keep it 'viable' it's all the people who pay over the odds to offset these people that make it viable! Market forces inspire changes like this.

They're one of the biggest because they aren't just an internet company. They bundle TV, Phone and Internet together. Most people prefer to simplify things by buying all 3 products from the same provider. The only reason i haven't moved to another provider when going through problems with Ntl was it would mean taking my phone to BT. So i stuck with it in hope that they'd sort it out. It's better now, but far from acceptable at times. A lot of people on this board didn't wait as long as me, as can be seen in countless posts.

For everyone on this board with issues there are literally hundreds of thousands of happy bunnies. If it were any other way ntl would be out of business.

It makes more sense to do your downloading at night, it doesn't get in the way of what you're doing through the day, browsing, emails etc, and also more people are on the foreign networks at night, so you get more people to share from.
THe thing is though, if that were the case, where the 5% of people overusing the service were crippling it, why have Ntl taken the speeds up so high? Whereas before most people on ntl were downloading at 30k/sec, standard, they'll be able to download at 124k/sec now. They've just put 4 times the strain on the network at any given time. When people were on the 1mb service as the highest teir, it was argued that they were at fault for slowing down other peoples service, downloading at 124k/sec constantly. Now the network is going to be flooded with people using at LEAST 124k/sec, while browsing etc. Is there less people on each UBR now to allow for that, or will people just suffer slow speeds?

Less people on a uBR, loads of network upgrades, and the network won't be flooded with people pulling that rate all the time. Most people's traffic is bursty, and the usage allowances act as a disincentive to people who may want to download full pelt all the time. 1 person downloading at 180k/s 90% of the time is far worse than several people downloading at 360k/s 5% of the time...

Think we can safely agree to disagree though on this. I accept your points even though I disagree with most of them, and have as much as possible supplied evidence to that effect.