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Old 27-10-2004, 16:25   #27
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Re: More ntl speed changes

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter
So big boy AOL with a huge advertising campaign of no limits being its primary advert base is really just a ruse, a quick customer grab then they really intend to impose capping ? bit outragous these large companies are permitted to lie so blatantly like that if thats the case.
Euro providers are entering the country too enhancing the adsl competition even further. All offering uncapped or multi level capped or premium uncapped. The bandwidth game is indeed a huge international rip off thats going about atm.
Anyway even by .au standards today the NTL 1 GB cap is archaic to say the least
800k 768k ? at that level 32k is a bit of a hair split, but still specualtion and rumours are fun
As for the sadness, I doubt it currently we are capped by speed, in the future we will surely be metered and capped by most providers but the caps will be decent and so will the lines. Dont make the future sound so bleak when really it doesnt have to be.

PS: my line is with BT but my internet most definately has nothing to do with them past my exchange.

Doesn't the fact that AOL are making such a selling point of being uncapped say something though?

30GB/month is hardly archaic compared to Australian providers, not to mention ntl aren't charging per MB over this level unlike most Aussie providers.

Euro providers? Well Wanadoo are a subsidiary of France Telecom, and are capping.

Your ADSL is probably still quite a bit to do with BT past your exchange, your service provider is paying BT for carrying the traffic from your exchange to either an interconnect with them, or across the BT network to a central point to interconnect with loads of other exchanges then to the ISP.

Only unbundled providers don't pay BT to carry traffic from the exchange, and even then they kind of do, as BT supply the backhaul fibre just at a fixed and more competitive rate than Option 3/4 prices as it's a dedicated link with no BT kit either end.

I'm not making the future sound bleaker than it is, just being realistic, the UK is very touchy as far as seeing contention goes and the 15 - 25:1 connections at low prices can't really go on for ever, nor can ISPs and other users subsidising people who are treating their connections as a 3:1 or better line.

It takes a lot of light users to balance out a user like that.

EDIT: People praise Japan over their 100Mbit connections - the bit people forget is that these guys rarely see over 2Mbit as soon as they get outside Japan. Fancy 10Mbit with 512k performance to the states? 1Mbit with 56k modem performance outside the UK?

The crunch point to Japanese ISPs is just deeper down the network. Maxing network at any point is bad, packet loss and high ping city. Limits are sadly an essential part of controlling network use, especially now as the gulf between light users and heavy users grows ever wider.

Check out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cogeco - a Canadian cableco offering 5Mbit down, 640k up, with a 15GB combined cap, or 10Mbit down, 1Mbit up with a 30GB combined cap.

Anyway I'm turning this into a capping thread, which it isn't.

FWIW I'm not aware of this story but I hope it's true, would be cool.
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