[andygrif]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I do wish that smokers scrupulously observed no smoking areas when they are in them.

I'd agree whole-heartedly with this. Smokers should not smoke in non-smoking areas. Period. Yes there are a lot of idiots that think they have the god-given right to smoke where they like, when they like. I would say I think that they are in the minority, but a few ignorant chavs can spoil it for the majority.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I also wish that smokers would acknowledge that their habit actively bars us non-smokers from entering places that we ideally should be able to go into without being affected by someone elses antisocial actions there.

But I would generally disagree with this. No smoker is stopping (effectively or otherwise) any non-smoker from entering a smoking area. I know many non-smokers who socialise with smokers. They make the choice to enter those places, and I don't know any smoker who doesn't respect non-smokers for making the decision not to enter.

Likewise, I also know many smokers who will go to non-smoking places and not smoke out of respect for the other people they're with.

I think both sides need to find the middle ground - although looking at this it is mostly the smokers who are prepared to compromise (save for Bill C and Incog who seem very level headed about it all).

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Finally, smokers shouldn't complain about non smokers complaining.....after all, it's not us non-smokers who are actively doing the thing that harms.

But if non-smokers wern't complaining, then nor would the smokers!

Originally Posted by Paul M

I suggest you all calm down, stop with the little digs at each other, and get back to the subject, or this is going to be closed.

Everyone need to pass round the pack of extra-tar Zitannes me thinks