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Originally Posted by annoyed andygrif
But the whole issue is one of choice. Smokers know the risks and can make an informed decision. Whether you support a ban or not, the issue is one of people's rights and that of a nanny state.
I'm all for more non-smoking pubs or smoke-free sections, as this increases that freedom of choice.
Taking that choice away is part of a bigger issue of control over people - which for a government obessessed with 'liberating' other countries is somewhat hypocritical in my opinion.
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And what about my choice/right as a non-smoker NOT to breathe in 2nd hand smoke?
Smoking per se should not be banned as that would then fulfill your point above but I wouldn't call this removing choice so much as creating a law for the good of everyone.
My not smoking could not offend or harm the person next to me...but someone smoking next to me would. If the smoker enforces his right/choice to smoke then he will be removing mine, not to. If I don't smoke I will not affect him. The smoking ban would ensure that I could exercise mine. The smoker, however can go outside or pop home etc...
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Originally Posted by BBQ Bifta
I'd like to point out that I don't have any of them ailments, my gran who smoked never died from any of them (or anything even remotely smoking related) my other gran who is still alive and over 80 (and smokes) has none of them, in fact, I can safely say as far as I know, not a single person I know or have known has had or has died from anything that could be construed as smoking related. I increase my risk (apparently) through smoking of contracting lung cancer, so? Eating meat that's slightly charcoaled is apparently supposed to increase your risk of cancer, are you do-gooders going to give up barbecues?
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We all have immunity and defenses against different diseases. That is why I can suffer with a cold while you breathe easily. Smoking won't give everyone lung cancer but will increase your chances. Burnt meat is a carcinogen true but much much less harmful than smoking. Your granny's are more likely to have had chest infections too as the smoke will paralyse the little hairs on your wind pipe (villi) that remove excess mucus from your lungs. I would also hazard a guess that they are slight in build which may mask peripheral circulation diseases from being apparent??
Maybe I shouldn't make wild guesses.....