[kronas]

Originally Posted by andygrif

And the rest! The millions spent on marketing, logistics, retailers' margins, royalties for composers and performers.... When you download a track you are not just hitting the music company, you're affecting the guy who works behind the counter in HMV, the guys in manufacturing plants, the suppliers of the manufacturing plant, the guys who drive the CDs to the stores, and so on. They say there is no such thing as a victimless crime, and they are right.

im well aware of that.

Originally Posted by andygrif

Your problem is that you do not see the bigger picture.

i do

Originally Posted by andygrif

All you see is Kronas downloading the odd track now and then. But there are millions of Kronases around the world, and it naive to suggest that these lost Pounds have no effect. You are also, by using things like Kazaa, putting the money in someone elses pocket (the people who make the software, advertising etc) who are then denying the same people who are due it, any such payment for you ripping off their work.

now if im downloading a track/album i like it then go and buy it, although others download purely because its free, that is wrong, what more do you want me to say!!!!

Originally Posted by andygrif

You've also said that you have done just that.

when have i done that, read my replys

Originally Posted by andygrif

Pedant.

nowhere around me or indeed the virgin megastore in the next town has a kiosk to listen to albums.

Originally Posted by andygrif

Fact. I don't make the rules, I'm only telling you what they are. The laws are made through the normal governmental process. If you don't like them complain to your MP.

the likes of the RIAA put pressure on the governments with lies, what about CD sales now eh ? they are going to fall do you know why ? more people are downloading through legitimate sources, ofcourse there is no accurate way to measure CD sales decreases as of now because of this.

Originally Posted by andygrif

No, I'm telling what the law says. Are you an anarchist?

fair do's im aware of what the laws are as to your second question no!

Originally Posted by andygrif

I've already said that it might not be as morally wrong to download music you would buy.

i said buying the CD after you have heard all of the tracks and are happy is ok.

Originally Posted by andygrif

I have already said that P2P can be a marketing device (in fact there is now a very good legal one for music, and many more designed for remote business working). But I am only reporting the rules, you choose what to do with them at your own risk. Just like I know what the speed limit on the motorway is, and if I choose to exceed it then I know I might get nicked. Simple.

this is not a motorway, this is about breaching the rules, the laws, some which are pushed in to government to appease media giants.

Originally Posted by andygrif

What I don't like is people who try to justify their actions with lame arguments - you're breaching someone's copyright. It doesn't matter whether you buy the album in the end or not.

according to the law yes, but there are plenty of unfair laws, if they try and play hardball sales will go down further.

Originally Posted by andygrif

At least be man enough to say what you do without trying to make excuses for your actions - I'd have some respect for that.

i didnt make excuses just put forward my opinion and moral thinking.

Originally Posted by andygrif

By the way, the BPI are at your front door now

i was wondering what that knocking was