hmm i spoke too soon
ntl rerouted traffic to abovenet all good now and the ms is low
Tracing route to 62.132.1.50 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 8 ms 6 ms 7 ms 10.146.103.254
2 7 ms 11 ms 7 ms leic-t2cam1-a-ge96.inet.ntl.com [80.7.30.17]
3 10 ms 11 ms 11 ms leic-t2core-a-ge-220-0.inet.ntl.com [82.3.33.10]
4 11 ms 11 ms 13 ms lee-bb-a-so-220-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.110]
5 13 ms 14 ms 16 ms pop-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238]
6 14 ms 12 ms 17 ms so-3-0-0.cr1.lhr3.uk.above.net [208.185.188.41]