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Originally Posted by timewarrior2001
Ok then what rights should the police have to uphold the law? their job isnt soley to track down criminals after the event, they are there to prevent crime also.
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Yes and I have no problem with them trying to prevent crime *PROVIDED* it is done without abusing anyone's rights!
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Perhaps we should give the police the power to stop and search the little scrotes that hang around the shops drinking when under age, stealing cars, committing burglary, and mugging people.
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Perhaps we should stop making massive generalisations.
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What people fail to understand is that by giving the Police a tough time for doing the job they are affecting others, not just the individual police involved and themselves. What harm is there in being stopped and asked a few questions? Does it cause so much hassle that you cant possibly co-operate without creating a scene?
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To paraphrase an argument from elsewhere in this thread: If they don't like the job they should go and work somewhere else...!!! (NB this is *IRONY*!)
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The police have a toough enough job as it is, and as far as I am concerned it should be a minor offence to awkward with the police when asked reasonably a few questions.
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So you think the Police should waste *even more* time having to deal with anyone who is "awkward"??
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It has nothing to do if they think you are guilty of something, the questions are to help them do their job, know who is in a given area so if anything happens they know where they can start looking and eliminating suspects. Its not about your black, we dont like your face, c'mon my son yer nicked.
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It's isn't? I suggest you look at the activities of some of the most notorious "Secret Police" forces around the world and the repressive regimes under which they operate and then see how similar they are to what you are suggesting!
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I cant understand what this country is coming to when we scream about the lack of coppers on the beat one minute then cry harrassment because they are finally out there doing their bloody job.
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Because their job is *NOT* to go out on the beat and demand answers from anyone and everyone about what they're doing and why they're there!!
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promptly arrested for drunk and disorderly even though I was quite sober, but had been drinking......thats where I learnt my lesson that its easier to co-operate and help them do their job).
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So you *approve* of a system where the Police can abuse their powers simply because they don't like your attitude?
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One mans cry for civil liberties may cause umpteen problems for others.
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One lost civil liberty can cause *many* more problems for *EVERYONE*!
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If the police werent stopping and searching Asians and muslims and there was a huge bomb blast in your town, and it turns out the Muslim extremeists did it, would you be happy the police hadnt done "something" ?
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This is a pointless and ludicrous question.
You postulate an attack by a specific group, but present no evidence (because there *is* no evidence) either that a) there *would* be such an attack or b) that the Police stopping and searching Asians and Muslims would have *stopped* such an attack.
You then appear to consider that the possibilty of stopping such a putative attack *justifies* stopping and searching Asians and Muslims, but, again, there is no evidence for this conclusion.
You pile hypothesis on hypothesis and then try to put the burden of proof on "us" to deny it!
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If there was a Combat 18 rally in your neighbourhood and you were attacked by skinheads, would you be happy that because of Civil liberties, the police hadnt bothered finding out why all these skin heads were there? After all its not illegal to have a shaved head and wear jeans.
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Another ridiculous hypothesis and backed by a ridiculous claim that "because of Civil liberties, the police hadnt bothered finding out why all these skin heads were there".
This is not what Civil Liberties is about, they protect the right of lawful assembly, free speech, freedom to wear whatever you want etc. This doesn't mean that if there were to be such a rally the Police would do *nothing*!
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If your child was attacked by a paedophile, would you be happy that police were unaware of him?
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If the Police were unaware of him, how could they *stop* him attacking *any* child?
Should they stop everyone and ask if they're a paedophile...???
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The Police gain information by stopping and talking/asking questions of others. Yes it may result in 1 conviction in a 1000 but if that 1 conviction stops a child from being raped, or a 100 people killed or maimed in a bomb blast is it still not worth your time to answer a couple of questions?
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Yes, because such a scattergun method would not work and your attempts to justify it with figures plucked out of the air are not at all convincing.
Where would you stop? If it stopped one child being abused, would you agree to the Police being able to walk into everyone's house and check their computer for kiddie porn? If it stopped one bomb going off, should they be able to stop and search every Asian or Muslim walking or driving down the street?
Would you *REALLY* want to live in a society where individual's rights have been *so* eroded that such things could take place? I'm sure there are countries in this world whose leaders would *love* such powers...!!
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As a foot note, are there any figures on the amount of white people stopped and searched in the same time frame?
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Yes, see my post above.