Originally Posted by punky

I said he didn't hate America. That's obvious because he lives here, and despite his vague threats he has never moved out of America.

To be fair, I said he hates Americans, which is a bit strong. He doesn't despise Americans holistically, but he is always quick to put them down. I'll dig out some examples if you want, but when he was on tour in Germany, he "said that Americans were stupid because the kids (or adults) can't find Iraq on the map (or much else), and the adults don't read at a high enough reading level. There is nothing wrong with criticizing your own country or citizens of course, but he is a bit strong, which disaffects even some Moore fans.

Actually I don't hate Moore like it sounds like you think I do. He is a very good film-maker. He is really good at (and this isn't a back-handed compliment at him), at munipulating his audience and invoking thoughts and responses. This guy was born to do anti-drug commercials and films. If he did, using the principals he applied in BFC, F9/11 and SWM/DWMC, then noone would take drugs, ever (providing he didn't lie or dissect it). I won't lie, I despise Moore as a person because of his ethics (or lack thereof), but that is separate from his work. However, I also believe his work is really misleading, to the point of being outright lies, which itself is different from Moore.