[punky]

Originally Posted by Graham

So you admit your comment was based solely on your *opinion*, not facts.

I never said it was a fact. I never even inferred it. I said you'd like to believe it is true. Incidently, isn't talking about his advertising on the blog site of someone who criticizes the film, a little off topic? Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Graham

No, it wasn't a joke as far as I could see. Starting a joke with the words "I know you'd like to believe..." makes it sound like a personal attack.

No, if want to stoop down to that level, i'd be a bit more direct.

Originally Posted by Graham

Taxi! Follow those goalposts!!

You know, you could try acting your age and not your shoesize. Yes, i'm attacking you personally, and yes i'm descending down to your level, but i'm sick of your attitude. If you can't discuss things rationally and maturely, then don't. Also see the last point.

Originally Posted by Graham

Yes, *had* past tense. But what he may have had the past was *not* a justification for invading *now*.

Again, i'm not sure what this has to do with BFC. F9/11, I may grant you, but it has nothing to do with BFC so let's try and drag this thread back on topic.

Originally Posted by Graham

Whilst ignoring the *prior context*. Hence: Moved goalposts.

I didn't ignore anything. I read it, and responded.

Originally Posted by Graham

No, that's *your* opinion of what he has said.

No it is fact. Mikey is actually a versatile fella. He has been quoted as saying that America is both a liberal country, and a conservative one, depending on what he is trying to say. Also, the "wacko attackos" letter is on his website.

Originally Posted by Graham

Funny, I could have sworn that's exactly what I *did* do...

"I have been doing e-comms too long to be impressed by this sort of exculpatory argument. ". Sound familiar? It is also exactly te same you said before with different words.

Originally Posted by Graham

did I *say* you wanted to "turn this into a fight"? Oops, no, I didn't...



Punky, you really need to learn something about the nature of debate.

You seem to consider that someone disagreeing with you is automatically being "confrontational", but you don't seem to understand that I debate *points* not "personalities".

I do *NOT* "attack people", I have not "attacked" you. The only thing I have "attacked" are your false assumptions, your attempts to put words into my mouth and your taking points out of context to try to make a point.

I do not, despite what you claim, "try to turn every friendly discussion into a virtual fist fight" I most certainly have not treated anyone "like a piece of s**t" and I will thank you not to make comments like that again otherwise I will find it necessary to make an official complaint about *your* personal attacks on me!

If you wish to discuss this further I suggest you put it in a PM instead of a public forum.

Fair enough, i'll PM you later. Also see the last point.

Originally Posted by Graham

And again you miss out the context in which the original remark was posted

Funny that. I merely negated what you said, and sudddenly it is out of context? If you say 2 * 2 = 4, and I say no it isn't, it is suddenly in a different context?

Originally Posted by Graham

You can back this up with cites? NB *I* have never said "Why can't that bank offer something other than guns?"

It said "free catalogue" in the advert itself, which granted is a bit vague. I could link to the point on Moorewatch where an American explains it but I doubt you'd take much notice, but this is a common thing in America, not just linked to a bank in Michigan. This is how it works: People put money into a bank called a CD, or "Certificate of Deposit". It is time locked, like a savings account. Given America is the land of fast food, and fast everything else, they have came up with an "instant interest scheme". Basically you put X amount of money in a time locked account, and you get the interest for the amount of time, 1, 10, 20 years however much you like, immeadiatly as a lump sum. The bank plays with your money, then it "matures" and then you get your original money back. Sometimes, like a loyalties scheme, instead of offering you a lump sum cash, they can offer you a gift, which is worth more than the interest, but costs the bank the same as the cash they'd give you. If you put $20 in a 1 year account, with the interest scheme, you'd get something small. A dvd voucher maybe. With a $5000 time locked for 20 years, you'd get something like a $1000 rifle maybe. All banks do it.

Originally Posted by Graham

What was that expression? Oh yes: "That's a bit rich...!" You want *me* to stop "trying to assassinate my character and personality" (something which I have never done, nor would stoop to) but you couch that in a personal attack on *my* character and personality "I fully expect you to ignore me"


Paging Messers Pott and Kettle-Black.

Not attacking me? Then you have a funny way of showing it.

Look at the way Tez posts in discussions, and look at yours. Regardless of the point or the person, he is always civil, pleasant, respectful. That is the kind of attitude that makes discussing things fun, rather than a chore that makes your blood boil. You both could say the same thing, but i'd respect him for saying it a whole lot more because of his attitude.